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Re:Tyre Pressure for 215/75/R15 ?
30 Sep 2024 19:30 #257752
by Chicken
Replied by Chicken on topic Tyre Pressure for 215/75/R15 ?
Guess I need to do the chalk thing, will have to test Thursday as away from home for work until then.
I read about the extra 15 psi in quite a few places and it made sense considering that's what the tyre people set them up as (got the new tyres installed before took ownership of the new car)
When I aired down even as I got to around the "standard" pressure I could see the side walls bulging g a bit low down like a slightly flat tyre would show so it seemed reasonable. The ride is also fine on road at around 35psi.
The jimny is.lofted with a gvm upgrade so has bigger springs/shocks a bullbar, spotlights, recovery points and the bigger tyres installed so I would already expect the required pressure to go up.
I read about the extra 15 psi in quite a few places and it made sense considering that's what the tyre people set them up as (got the new tyres installed before took ownership of the new car)
When I aired down even as I got to around the "standard" pressure I could see the side walls bulging g a bit low down like a slightly flat tyre would show so it seemed reasonable. The ride is also fine on road at around 35psi.
The jimny is.lofted with a gvm upgrade so has bigger springs/shocks a bullbar, spotlights, recovery points and the bigger tyres installed so I would already expect the required pressure to go up.
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30 Sep 2024 20:19 #257753
by fordem
Do you have any links to these places, I'd like to read about it too.
As for the what the tyre people do - if you ever get the chance, watch them work - most of them put the tyre on the rim, hook up an airline and inflate until the bead seats, disconnect the airline, insert the valve core, screw it down and they're done - let me know if you see them reach for a gauge.
I have a 2021 Jimny that has been strictly "dealer serviced", twice a year for the last three years, so six services and every time it comes back I have to reset the tyre pressures to what is on the tyre placard, you would think the dealers would at least follow the manufacturer's recommendations, but no, it's a 35 psi EVERY SINGLE TIME.
Last July I took delivery of a 2024 five door Jimny, show room stock, from the same dealership - would you like to guess what the tire pressures were set to?
There's a mathematic calculation you can do to determine the approximate pressure - based on the tyre's load rating (usually stated on the sidewall, along with the pressure it's rated to handle the load at), divide the weight of your car by four, and then divide that by the tyre's rating and you'll get a fraction, multiply that by the pressure, and what you'll get is going to be close to the pressure that gives you even wear.
Replied by fordem on topic Tyre Pressure for 215/75/R15 ?
I read about the extra 15 psi in quite a few places and it made sense considering that's what the tyre people set them up as (got the new tyres installed before took ownership of the new car)
Do you have any links to these places, I'd like to read about it too.
As for the what the tyre people do - if you ever get the chance, watch them work - most of them put the tyre on the rim, hook up an airline and inflate until the bead seats, disconnect the airline, insert the valve core, screw it down and they're done - let me know if you see them reach for a gauge.
I have a 2021 Jimny that has been strictly "dealer serviced", twice a year for the last three years, so six services and every time it comes back I have to reset the tyre pressures to what is on the tyre placard, you would think the dealers would at least follow the manufacturer's recommendations, but no, it's a 35 psi EVERY SINGLE TIME.
Last July I took delivery of a 2024 five door Jimny, show room stock, from the same dealership - would you like to guess what the tire pressures were set to?
There's a mathematic calculation you can do to determine the approximate pressure - based on the tyre's load rating (usually stated on the sidewall, along with the pressure it's rated to handle the load at), divide the weight of your car by four, and then divide that by the tyre's rating and you'll get a fraction, multiply that by the pressure, and what you'll get is going to be close to the pressure that gives you even wear.
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30 Sep 2024 21:38 - 30 Sep 2024 21:41 #257756
by Chicken
Replied by Chicken on topic Tyre Pressure for 215/75/R15 ?
heh, well if they did that without a pressure gauge then I am impressed as they were all exactly the same :dry:
This Jimny isnt stock, has a GVM upgrade which includes a lift, so has bigger / heavier shocks, springs, has a full bull bar spotlights (considering a winch also) and the bigger / heavier LT215/75r15 tyres on the stock rims, including the spare. interesting that someone said dont put LT tyres on it, the BFG K02's are one of the most popular tyre replacements, the LT gives you much tougher sidewalls which is good for offroad, the stock ones although seem fairly capable offroad considering what they are, are much more prone to puncture when you drop the pressures a bit.
The add 15 psi was something an old mate who worked in the tyre industry and liked 4WD told me (Actually think he said add 10 to 15) but I did a search for P to LT tyres pressure and found a fair few instances or this "rule of thumb" (its not an exact science just one that works in general rather than doing the maths)
There are also instances of similar statements from tyre company guides such as this from Toyo
"WARNING! Please note that size-for-size, LT-metric tires require higher air pressures to
carry equivalent loads of P-metric tires and that any failure to adjust air pressure to achieve the
vehicle’s load requirements will result in tire fatigue and eventual tire failure due to excessive
heat build-up. Due to the higher PSI requirements of LT-metric tires they may not be suitable for
replacing O.E. P-metric tires because of the ride harshness that results from higher PSI
requirements"
How to apply the load inflation tables (toyotires.com)
People suggesting that you shoudl lower your PSI for general use when upgrading to LT tyres doesnt seem right when you look at the tyre even at the door rated placard, they look underinflated.
But I guess I will do some chalk test before I go away on Friday
This Jimny isnt stock, has a GVM upgrade which includes a lift, so has bigger / heavier shocks, springs, has a full bull bar spotlights (considering a winch also) and the bigger / heavier LT215/75r15 tyres on the stock rims, including the spare. interesting that someone said dont put LT tyres on it, the BFG K02's are one of the most popular tyre replacements, the LT gives you much tougher sidewalls which is good for offroad, the stock ones although seem fairly capable offroad considering what they are, are much more prone to puncture when you drop the pressures a bit.
The add 15 psi was something an old mate who worked in the tyre industry and liked 4WD told me (Actually think he said add 10 to 15) but I did a search for P to LT tyres pressure and found a fair few instances or this "rule of thumb" (its not an exact science just one that works in general rather than doing the maths)
There are also instances of similar statements from tyre company guides such as this from Toyo
"WARNING! Please note that size-for-size, LT-metric tires require higher air pressures to
carry equivalent loads of P-metric tires and that any failure to adjust air pressure to achieve the
vehicle’s load requirements will result in tire fatigue and eventual tire failure due to excessive
heat build-up. Due to the higher PSI requirements of LT-metric tires they may not be suitable for
replacing O.E. P-metric tires because of the ride harshness that results from higher PSI
requirements"
How to apply the load inflation tables (toyotires.com)
People suggesting that you shoudl lower your PSI for general use when upgrading to LT tyres doesnt seem right when you look at the tyre even at the door rated placard, they look underinflated.
But I guess I will do some chalk test before I go away on Friday
Last edit: 30 Sep 2024 21:41 by Chicken.
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01 Oct 2024 09:49 #257759
by Dan
Replied by Dan on topic Tyre Pressure for 215/75/R15 ?
I applied the tyre pressure from the chart on the first page of this thread (post no. 11), I had previously been running at 25 psi.
Things improved greatly for 'A' road driving.
www.bigjimny.com/index.php/forum/6-jimny...or-215-75-r15#218419
Things improved greatly for 'A' road driving.
www.bigjimny.com/index.php/forum/6-jimny...or-215-75-r15#218419
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01 Oct 2024 17:02 #257761
by DrRobin
2020 blue SZ5 (one of the last to be registered in the UK)
Ex 2011 Blue Jimny SZ4
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Replied by DrRobin on topic Tyre Pressure for 215/75/R15 ?
If you have TPMS, it might start activating on a cold morning at 25PSI. As Dan says the ride is much better on the road with about 28PSI and the fuel economy will come up as well.
It doesn't surprise me the garages stick 35PSI in all tyres, I don't think they ever adjust the hose and just wack the same in regardless.
I run 27-28PSI in my Gen 4 with 215s, it seems fine, but like Dan did run 25PSI at one stage and they definately felt soft on the road.
I like Fordem's chalk test, a much quicker way than waiting to see how your tyre has worn out around the centre (or edges) after a couple of years of the wrong pressure.
If you can't do the chalk test, just run it down a road at 35, then 30, then 28, then 25 and possibly lower and see for yourself which feels better and I bet it will be around 28PSI, even with the extra weight.
Robin
It doesn't surprise me the garages stick 35PSI in all tyres, I don't think they ever adjust the hose and just wack the same in regardless.
I run 27-28PSI in my Gen 4 with 215s, it seems fine, but like Dan did run 25PSI at one stage and they definately felt soft on the road.
I like Fordem's chalk test, a much quicker way than waiting to see how your tyre has worn out around the centre (or edges) after a couple of years of the wrong pressure.
If you can't do the chalk test, just run it down a road at 35, then 30, then 28, then 25 and possibly lower and see for yourself which feels better and I bet it will be around 28PSI, even with the extra weight.
Robin
2020 blue SZ5 (one of the last to be registered in the UK)
Ex 2011 Blue Jimny SZ4
Northumberland Jimny Blog
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