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INEOS GRENDIER - What do you guys think?

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04 Oct 2020 19:13 - 04 Oct 2020 19:16 #228790 by DAGZOOK
I'm sure most of you will have seen/heard of the UK based company INEOS who are teaming up with their European partners to produce the INEOS grenadier. It's due to be on sale in the UK as of mid 2021 and is estimated to have a UK sale price of around £38k (commercial VAT free) or £45k to average Joe Bloggs.

I'd be interested to hear what you guys have to say about the Grenadier? Personally design wise having followed the creation from the beginning and watched all of the YouTube updates over the past year, I think it looks like one of the best engineered 4x4's available. Possibly the only thing in the world I'd trade my Gen.4 for? :laugh:

I bet the guys over at JLR are s**ting themselves........

Take a look at this crash test prototype in the flesh:
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04 Oct 2020 19:44 #228794 by Foxtrot
I like the look of it, they have sourced all the components from tried and tested manufacturers. I have driven the new Defender off road and it is a very capable machine, however it is soulless and looks like just another SUV.

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04 Oct 2020 19:50 #228795 by DAGZOOK

I like the look of it, they have sourced all the components from tried and tested manufacturers. I have driven the new Defender off road and it is a very capable machine, however it is soulless and looks like just another SUV.


Yeah I'm not trying to discredit the new Defender, but after all the Grenadier will be in the same class (at least from a price point of view) and In my opinion is the better choice for anyone wanting a 'no frills' tried and tested off-roader. Like you said they've outsourced the running gear to a specialist that manufactures nothing other than running gear for plant machinery and tractors and they're offering tried and tested BMW engines both of which have been awarded engine of the year on several occasions.

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04 Oct 2020 21:00 #228797 by Dan
When they pulled the manufacturing from Wales to France I felt I no longer wanted one.

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04 Oct 2020 21:32 #228798 by Roger Fairclough
There were so many things that were right about the Defender but it was let down by the myriad numbers of things that were wrong. Land --Rover came out of Rover and the quality dropped and the new company set it's site on the prestige market and the Defender was left to die.
I wish the Grenadier the best of luck.

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04 Oct 2020 23:04 #228802 by 300bhpton

When they pulled the manufacturing from Wales to France I felt I no longer wanted one.


Any real reason? It's not as if Jimny's are built in Wales. And in fairness, Ineos wasn't actually building cars in Wales at any point.

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04 Oct 2020 23:10 #228804 by Reason2doubt

When they pulled the manufacturing from Wales to France I felt I no longer wanted one.


:laugh:

Always have a good chuckle when I see this response.

Looks like a good vehicle. They have definitely put some time and effort into making it a rugged yet modern 4x4. I like how it draws from the G Wagon and elements of other historic 4x4’s. I think it will be too rich for the ‘old’ defender boys who duct tape their old landy’s back together, but it is what it is. I do agree with their decision to move it out of the UK for manufacturing on a cost and sustainability basis. Best of luck to them - I will be looking at how it goes and then making a decision based on the real world reviews.

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05 Oct 2020 04:03 #228806 by Lambert
Until such time as they provide us with a short wheel base version in true farm spec for the same money as a base Isuzu they are not going to attract much interest from the agricultural, utility and ngo sectors. And as long as they don't produce such a thing it harms their credibility, just like jlr has with the new defender.

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05 Oct 2020 10:13 #228818 by lightning
l've had Defenders for years, and no duct tape in sight.
l like the look of the Grenadier, it looks to me like what Land Rover should have done with the old Defender.

Sadly the price is too high, £45,000 puts it out of my reach, although there is a SWB version on the way which will be around £5,000 less.

l've driven the new Defender and while obviously very capable it's just another generic LR product. 83 computers in it, you're not going to fix that in the middle of the Simpson Desert.

But nobody will take one there. l hope the Grenadier is a success, although it will take time to make inroads back into the utility 4x4 market that Land Rover had lost by the 1990's due to not investing in Defender.

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05 Oct 2020 11:27 #228820 by Scimike
I hope they succeed, but I am not sure they have the pricing or the target customer correct. I am sure it will sell in low numbers just as the original (outgoing) Defender did, but when you can get a L200 for 21K as a work vehicle why would you pay over double this for the Ineos offering?
So that's the work community out, it only leaves it as a possible Chelsea tractor and the badge is not established enough for this.
Ineso, they make chemicals and hand sanitiser and are having a go at a 4x4....... No pedigree for the badge chasers.
So that leaves the need to be different people as customers, and they tend to keep things for a year then move on to the latest and greatest.
Only my view on the potential Ineos customer base, I am sure they have done their homework and have a different view.

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05 Oct 2020 11:52 - 05 Oct 2020 11:59 #228821 by lightning
l fear you may be correct, it may sell in small numbers to traditional Land Rover enthusiasts but everyone else will buy the new Defender.
But then again, the new Jimny has sold to a fair number of people who just liked the look of it and could have had a VW T-Cross, or any other generic crossover.

There's a possibility that the Grenadier may succeed in the Military market, and people like Mountain Rescue, who are still using the old Defender.
l was talking to someone from Mountain Rescue and they've just had their Defenders overhauled as there's "nothing else" that can do the job.
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05 Oct 2020 12:13 - 05 Oct 2020 12:16 #228823 by Podge
I've no idea who they're going to sell it to, it's far too expensive.

Utilities aren't going to buy it; they like dependability and a lease/service network as they plan to run them for 5 years or so. Land Rover offered that and to be honest that market has been gobbled up by Ford, Toyota, Nissan etc. Ineos doesn't have this, they don't have the reliability record.

Emergency services won't as they're expensive and there's a limited reliability record. Local MR group has bought Ford Rangers; at the end of the day these groups are charities and have to buy with value for money and being responsible with charitable income.

Farmers aren't going to buy it. They want a tool that does the job. A bog standard Ford Ranger does that far cheaper than the Ineos.

Off roaders aren't going to buy it. They aren't going to spend £40k on something to bounce it about green lanes. They're going to buy second hand Jimnys, Discos, Defenders etc like they've always done.

Who does it leave? Sod all I think. If it's anything other than a flop than I'll be surprised.

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