Re:Gen 4 Battery swap

GeorgeC wrote: Meanwhile, its Battery Day later today, I'll check the Resting Voltage and see if the RAC Man's temporary fix has worked.

11:00 hrs, the weekly resting voltage test, 12.60V at the terminals, that is usable, but what I would expect prior to trying the fix.
I put the Solar Panel out in the sun, for 6 hours @ 60-300mA, this has brought the voltage up to 13.02V.

I'll see how it goes on Monday.

mlines wrote: George appears to have an electrical load management issue possibly due to a wiring fault (earth) combined with his driving profile.
He makes very short trips with full electrical and electro-mechanical (aircon) load. Perth Australia is hot!
The vehicle appears to react to this load by commanding the alternator to reduce volts to lighten the load on the engine, this is the normal function of the LIM circuit on the alternator.
As the journey is short, the battery never gets charged and eventually discharges completely.
As no-one else reports this, there is likely to be some sort of fault that encourages the load sensing on the battery to limit the alternator more than it does on other Jimnys
The interim "cure" is to press the OFF button on the AirCon that disengages the aircon compressor clutch. This reduces the engine load and allows the alternator to start charging the battery as the engine can now provide the energy.
This is what George means by turning the alternator on/off, he is referring to the aircon clutch which has this effect.
Martin

Update time:
I don't always catch the full meaning the first time I hear and or read something, there is always a deeper message I miss.
For the OFF Button to enable the "fix", the car needs to be stopped, probably in Park, everything off, just as the RAC Man demonstrated.
Trying to drive home with the "fix" enabled did not work, as the resting voltage shows, only 12.6V.
There are many electrical loads that restore the normal alternator features, smart charging, as you drive.
Pages 6-42, 43 in the Manual shows the fuse values for many loads that may be switching off the alternator as I drive. The Power Steering and Thermo Fan, both 40A fuses, for example.
I have read in this forum of Gen4 owners charging the battery for 10 minutes in the driveway during lockdown. I can now see how that could be done, by using the "OFF" switch.
I don't see this as a 'daily drivable' solution. A pre-drive warm up may restore some of the starting energy. Using the off button at red lights may also help a little.

I don't understand the logic behind this, in a VW Transporter for example, the alternator is forced ON by use of the Air Conditioning, the logic being that an extra load on the battery requires the alternator to offset any drain.
Have you got a DC clamp meter that you can put around the lead to the battery or the lead to the alternator to monitor current drain/feed from the battery? Then by monitoring this whilst turning various items on/off you can see if the charging system is working or not.
This thread from the T6 forum might assist in a search for a battery monitor, some of the devices have a graph display that can show voltage drops and rises throughout the day.
www.t6forum.com/threads/battery-monitoring-how-i-done-it.15346/

GeorgeC wrote:

GeorgeC wrote: Meanwhile, its Battery Day later today, I'll check the Resting Voltage and see if the RAC Man's temporary fix has worked.

11:00 hrs, the weekly resting voltage test, 12.60V at the terminals, that is usable, but what I would expect prior to trying the fix.
I put the Solar Panel out in the sun, for 6 hours @ 60-300mA, this has brought the voltage up to 13.02V.
I'll see how it goes on Monday.

Monday: A 10 minute warm up, clean the windows, all with the "OFF" button depressed. I then drove to the shops carefully managing the load. I checked the voltage on parking with the engine still running, the mid 12Vs was it! On arrival home with the engine still running, the best was mid 13Vs! No 14-point-anything volts and that's with the "OFF" button depressed and the engine running!
I have to accept the RAC Man is right, the Smart Controller would eventually fail and this event seems to be getting closer with each drive!

Tomorrow we will find out what "Return to the Selling Dealer" really means!
Edit: My son phoned up. Its a polite invite to the return to the selling dealer, for a service, a car trade-in or an upgrade! After all, it's now over eighteen months old and has almost nine hundred kilometres on it!

Hi George.
Enough is enough, if the dealer wont play ball you need to find out if anyone else has suffered this problem. All the comments re: short journeys and excess use of air con are frankly irrelevant, the car was sold in Perth and as such must be capable of working in that sort of environment. You only need one other person with similar problems and you have proof that there is a wider problem than just your motor. If you can't find anyone else then the dealer must accept that yours is a rogue and guarantee to fix it, give you your money back or replace it. You cannot be expected to continue in this manner and the dealer must accept responsibility.Play the ace and say that it is dangerous and could endanger lives.

Roger

Roger Fairclough wrote: Hi George. Enough is enough, if the dealer wont play ball you need to find out if anyone else has suffered this problem. All the comments re: short journeys and excess use of air con are frankly irrelevant, the car was sold in Perth and as such must be capable of working in that sort of environment. You only need one other person with similar problems and you have proof that there is a wider problem than just your motor. If you can't find anyone else then the dealer must accept that yours is a rogue and guarantee to fix it, give you your money back or replace it. You cannot be expected to continue in this manner and the dealer must accept responsibility.Play the ace and say that it is dangerous and could endanger lives. Roger

Roger, while hunting around for our Infotainment Update, I found this Suzuki Page in India: www.marutisuzuki.com/service
Their suggestion in Vehicle Maintenance Tips, halfway down the page, is not un-like what I am doing each Saturday with the solar panel and similar to what ACDelco recommend as a monthly ritual, remove, replace and recharge the battery! Now what's that called again?? I remember, its a Gen 4 Battery swap!