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Re:Recommended suspension kit 2" for New Jimny?
03 Apr 2020 22:42 #220666
by 300bhpton
Replied by 300bhpton on topic Re:Recommended suspension kit 2" for New Jimny?
have tried to test the kit in as many environments as possible, from motorways to green lanes and everything in between.
lol, not picking holes, just made me laugh. Surely everything between a green lane and a motorway is just a normal road..... :lol:
lol, not picking holes, just made me laugh. Surely everything between a green lane and a motorway is just a normal road..... :lol:
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04 Apr 2020 16:13 #220685
by Andy2640
Replied by Andy2640 on topic Re:Recommended suspension kit 2" for New Jimny?
Thought that might interest some of you. JordyJimny off youtube had his done there, he says the handling difference is much better on road, especially at motorway speeds. He said he hasnt tried it off road much, but from the companies website (A blue SZ5 featured) it looks amazing off road, the wheel articulation seems waaay more improved!!
On another note, ive been scanning the jimny manual, and under vehicle wright it has the manual down as 1080kg - 1095kg. Can anyone answer why there is a variation in weight? Is it taking into consideration the SZ4 vs SZ5, or is it a weight difference between production variations i.e materials, or what is it?? Bit pendantic to ask, but it does interest me that!
Also.... is GVM the vehicles absoloute maximum capacity, and what dictates this max, is it suspension, damper limits?? Or ??
Cheers me dears
On another note, ive been scanning the jimny manual, and under vehicle wright it has the manual down as 1080kg - 1095kg. Can anyone answer why there is a variation in weight? Is it taking into consideration the SZ4 vs SZ5, or is it a weight difference between production variations i.e materials, or what is it?? Bit pendantic to ask, but it does interest me that!
Also.... is GVM the vehicles absoloute maximum capacity, and what dictates this max, is it suspension, damper limits?? Or ??
Cheers me dears
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04 Apr 2020 18:16 #220694
by 300bhpton
This is exactly the point I have been labouring.... :whistle:
Lift and suspension travel are not the same thing. And doing one does not directly give you more of the other.
The spring spacers they are including I assume are 20-25mm. You could fit these to your stock suspension and get a lift of 20-25mm. But obviously this won't give you any extra shock travel, nor alter how it rides or handles really. And it is nearly always the shock that ultimately limits how much suspension travel you have. As you can't have more travel than the extended shocks length.
Therefore the front cross member will only become an issue with a shock that is long enough to give extended travel beyond what OME/JimnyStyle/Trail Master are offering. The 'lift' mount has no bearing at all on this.
In this example. The longer OME shock is giving you more suspension travel. However if you watch the OME vid on YouTube or look at their main website. They are quite clear that they designed the kit to work with the stock length brake lines and that it doesn't need the front crossmember altering.
Therefore the extra length of the shocks is limited. And so are your suspension travel gains.
This kit (and none of the others) move the shock mounting positions, which could be another way to get more travel. So we know that even with no front spring in place, but the OME shock fitted, the front axle will not drop far enough for the prop to hit the front crossmemeber.
If you fitted stock springs, you'd still gain in suspension travel. But the vehicle would have the same ride height as a standard vehicle.
As this is also a 'lift' kit. The OME springs are probably long and/or a different spring rate. This means when sitting level the vehicle is raised from the stock ride height. But raising it will extend the shock a bit (by the amount being lifted). So again, while you have improved total suspension travel, lifting the vehicle will reduce the down travel from sitting level.
Adding the spacer has done the same thing as running an even longer spring. It has simply raised the ride height further. Which has then extended the shock further also. So has also reduced the available down travel from sitting level. Although your total travel will have remained the same as without the spacer.
As I've said earlier, it is a somewhat difficult thing to grasp. And explaining in words is actually pretty hard.
Using some fake numbers to illustrate what is happening:
As for Storm adding the spacers as well. It could be for looks, just because they could. A higher ride height will give more clearance under the vehicle off road, but it does raise the Centre of Gravity too. More lift allows bigger tyres to fit better in some cases. But ultimately you'd need to ask them why.
I wonder if they modified the headlight adjustment bracket to cater for the additional lift? If it is the OME one, then I assume it would have been calibrated for their lift height.
Replied by 300bhpton on topic Re:Recommended suspension kit 2" for New Jimny?
I did mention earlier in the thread OME offer at least 3 different spring rates. It is on their .au site. Just put your vehicle details in and run their configurator.DAGZOOK wrote: I've not seen the 'LIGHT' kit advertised before only the medium & heavy.
DAGZOOK wrote: Continuing what we've talked about on this thread, the fact that they've fitted additional spring spacers to increase the 40mm lift to 60//65mm seems a bit unnecessary. I'm not sure how they've managed this without running into the aforementioned issues (front crossmember).
This is exactly the point I have been labouring.... :whistle:
Lift and suspension travel are not the same thing. And doing one does not directly give you more of the other.
The spring spacers they are including I assume are 20-25mm. You could fit these to your stock suspension and get a lift of 20-25mm. But obviously this won't give you any extra shock travel, nor alter how it rides or handles really. And it is nearly always the shock that ultimately limits how much suspension travel you have. As you can't have more travel than the extended shocks length.
Therefore the front cross member will only become an issue with a shock that is long enough to give extended travel beyond what OME/JimnyStyle/Trail Master are offering. The 'lift' mount has no bearing at all on this.
In this example. The longer OME shock is giving you more suspension travel. However if you watch the OME vid on YouTube or look at their main website. They are quite clear that they designed the kit to work with the stock length brake lines and that it doesn't need the front crossmember altering.
Therefore the extra length of the shocks is limited. And so are your suspension travel gains.
This kit (and none of the others) move the shock mounting positions, which could be another way to get more travel. So we know that even with no front spring in place, but the OME shock fitted, the front axle will not drop far enough for the prop to hit the front crossmemeber.
If you fitted stock springs, you'd still gain in suspension travel. But the vehicle would have the same ride height as a standard vehicle.
As this is also a 'lift' kit. The OME springs are probably long and/or a different spring rate. This means when sitting level the vehicle is raised from the stock ride height. But raising it will extend the shock a bit (by the amount being lifted). So again, while you have improved total suspension travel, lifting the vehicle will reduce the down travel from sitting level.
Adding the spacer has done the same thing as running an even longer spring. It has simply raised the ride height further. Which has then extended the shock further also. So has also reduced the available down travel from sitting level. Although your total travel will have remained the same as without the spacer.
As I've said earlier, it is a somewhat difficult thing to grasp. And explaining in words is actually pretty hard.
Using some fake numbers to illustrate what is happening:
As for Storm adding the spacers as well. It could be for looks, just because they could. A higher ride height will give more clearance under the vehicle off road, but it does raise the Centre of Gravity too. More lift allows bigger tyres to fit better in some cases. But ultimately you'd need to ask them why.
I wonder if they modified the headlight adjustment bracket to cater for the additional lift? If it is the OME one, then I assume it would have been calibrated for their lift height.
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