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This has been a very interesting read, thanks to the OP for opening the debate, and everyone else that has contributed. another thread shortcut-ted to easily find for future reference.
DAGZOOK, I would take the words of anyone who describes fitting brake lines as a "joy" with a pinch of salt :laugh: Sounds like they are doing the detail though!
It's interesting to hear claims of a longer shock with the same compressed length. I wonder where that extra 20mm of shaft goes? Or do the standard shocks not make full use of the available length? Either way, it seems like they could be used to gain some down travel even with standard springs.
I measured some old standard gen3 shocks today.
Measuring centre to base of threads on the fronts: 283 compressed, 403 extended, 120mm travel.
Measuring centre to centre on the rear: 302 compressed, 458 extended, 156mm travel.
Busta wrote: DAGZOOK, I would take the words of anyone who describes fitting brake lines as a "joy" with a pinch of salt :laugh: Sounds like they are doing the detail though!
It's interesting to hear claims of a longer shock with the same compressed length. I wonder where that extra 20mm of shaft goes? Or do the standard shocks not make full use of the available length? Either way, it seems like they could be used to gain some down travel even with standard springs.
I measured some old standard gen3 shocks today.
Measuring centre to base of threads on the fronts: 283 compressed, 403 extended, 120mm travel.
Measuring centre to centre on the rear: 302 compressed, 458 extended, 156mm travel.
Busta, humour me here.. If an aftermarket shock had a compressed length that was smaller than the OEM equivalent, the factory bump stop would prevent the shock from ever bottoming out? additional bump stops are then only required if the compressed length of an aftermarket shock is greater than the OEM equivalent, because your shock would bottom out before the bump stop engaged (das ist kaput) ? :woohoo:
Praise the lord for this forum - this damn virus is making me loose my mind!
This guy is fitting a 'Gabriel' 2" lift kit to a gen.3 - his rear shocks are longer than OEM but have the same compressed length. Skip to 20.53 :whistle:
DAGZOOK wrote: Busta, humour me here.. If an aftermarket shock had a compressed length that was smaller than the OEM equivalent, the factory bump stop would prevent the shock from ever bottoming out? additional bump stops are then only required if the compressed length of an aftermarket shock is greater than the OEM equivalent, because your shock would bottom out before the bump stop engaged (das ist kaput) ? :woohoo:
Praise the lord for this forum - this damn virus is making me loose my mind!
Correct, yes. So given trailmaster are providing extended bump stops, their shocks must be longer when compressed than standard. Which is what you would typically expect from a longer shock.
DAGZOOK wrote: This guy is fitting a 'Gabriel' 2" lift kit to a gen.3 - his rear shocks are longer than OEM but have the same compressed length. Skip to 20.53 :whistle:
That's really interesting. Thanks! I've always liked the idea of a close-to-standard height lift kit that uses longer but softer springs to give a soft ride and more flex, but assumed I'd need to sacrifice some up-travel to gain down travel. That proves otherwise. I just need some custom wound springs now then!
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