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Re:Parking on full lock

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03 Feb 2021 21:24 - 03 Feb 2021 21:27 #232451 by lightning
ls it OK to park our Jimny with the steering on full lock (well, not right over but one full turn of the wheel from centre)

On the Land Rover forum it's recommended as more secure to park that way as it makes it harder to tow the vehicle away or winch on to a flatbed.

l am not particularly concerned about the Jimny as it seems no more likely to get stolen than any other car.

But if it's OK to leave it parked on full lock, then l may as well do it.

On some cars it's not recommended as it can damage the power steering pump.
 
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03 Feb 2021 22:27 - 03 Feb 2021 22:36 #232453 by Scimike
Replied by Scimike on topic Parking on full lock
I can really see any problems with parking with the wheels turned. Possibly some issues if the steering is locked hard against the travel stop, but not if common sense is used. The G4 has electric power steering so you would assume it's a little more advanced than the older pumped system, but even this is ok upto near full lock in my opinion.
To back this up my G3 is parked most nights at 80% full lock as was my Scimitar, simply due to the shape of my yard and I don't straighten the wheels when I park.
 

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04 Feb 2021 07:42 #232455 by yakuza
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I really struggle to see the point of this..
If someone wants to steel an old landy or a jimny the steering lock would probably not be a problem for even the very stupid theifs.
(more of a psychiatry problem involved for the thief here. :) )

No professional towing service would have any problems removing a car on full steering lock, you will only make the risk of damage to your car bigger.
And why make problems for the tow service?
It is just a guy trying to make a living removing cars parked at fire hydrants, on sidewalks, too close to zebra crossings or on your parking spot.

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04 Feb 2021 07:58 #232456 by mlines
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I do it. It makes towing onto a flat bed harder and noisier and also prevents an opportunist thief from snatching the steering wheel to break the lock. As a minimum you should always ensure the lock is engaged to prevent a snatch break of the lock

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04 Feb 2021 08:34 #232458 by Busta
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It won't damage the steering on any car.

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04 Feb 2021 09:44 #232459 by Lambert
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At 4am when I get up to go to work the last thing sleepy me needs is to remember that steering isn't straight, it's bad enough having to fight with the steering lock bar.

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04 Feb 2021 14:38 #232470 by fordem
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lightning wrote: On some cars it's not recommended as it can damage the power steering pump.
 


The car is parked, the engine is off, power steering pump is not turning, not pumping fluid - how does it get damaged?

Now, I don't recall how many times I've parked and left the steering on full lock, as recommended when parking on a slope, but I do know, I've yet to damage a powersteering pump doing it.
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04 Feb 2021 16:05 #232472 by mlines
Replied by mlines on topic Parking on full lock
The supposed problem with the steering pump is that on full lock the pressure relief valve opens (because the steering cannot turn any further). This is what the "groaning" noise is at full lock. It is not supposed to be good for the pump to be running in pressure relief mode although in truth its likely to be a short period and no different than a normal drive on full lock.

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2003 M13 early KAP build.
3" Trailmaster lift with 1.5 Spacers on front
Customised winch bumper and roll cage
235/85R16 Maxxis Bighorns on 16" Rims, 4:1 Rocklobster, Rear ARB locker and on-board air
Corrected arms all-round, rear disks, Recaro seats and harnesses

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04 Feb 2021 19:15 #232480 by yakuza
Replied by yakuza on topic Parking on full lock
I thought that if the pressure relief valve opened, it relieves the pressure and there is no growling noise. And no pressure, no strain on anything.
Growling noise is most likely cavitation in the pump. Micro bursts of pressure due to trouble on the suction or pressure side of the pump or mismatch between them. No worries though. Long term use with bad oil, bad gaskets or excess heat is most likely why your pump dies one day.

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04 Feb 2021 19:33 #232481 by Scimike
Replied by Scimike on topic Parking on full lock
As a fan of "higher milage" vehicles it's always been the steering rack that's failed rather than the pump. Every time it's happened it's been on full lock against the stop. I always try and avoid this, but sometimes you just can't help it.
Shoppers multistorey carpark Salisbury and a Reliant Scimitar = blown steering rack and bent exhausts.
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04 Feb 2021 20:05 #232486 by mlines
Replied by mlines on topic Re:Parking on full lock

yakuza wrote: I thought that if the pressure relief valve opened, it relieves the pressure and there is no growling noise. And no pressure, no strain on anything.
Growling noise is most likely cavitation in the pump. Micro bursts of pressure due to trouble on the suction or pressure side of the pump or mismatch between them. No worries though. Long term use with bad oil, bad gaskets or excess heat is most likely why your pump dies one day.

You may well be right, I only came to that conclusion when looking at the spring loaded valve on a car and imagining that the pressure was opening it, pressure drops, valve starts to close, pressure rises, valve starts to open etc. So i imagined it oscillating about a point.

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2003 M13 early KAP build.
3" Trailmaster lift with 1.5 Spacers on front
Customised winch bumper and roll cage
235/85R16 Maxxis Bighorns on 16" Rims, 4:1 Rocklobster, Rear ARB locker and on-board air
Corrected arms all-round, rear disks, Recaro seats and harnesses

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04 Feb 2021 20:11 #232487 by RainerK
Replied by RainerK on topic Re:Parking on full lock
Oscillating and of course the set point of the relieve valve is higher than the standard pressure in the system. Therefore the pressure is higher when the steering is on full lock and the motor is running.

I try to avoid it.

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