More protection.

Oops!
My big Barnsleyshire gob again!

I wasn't having a go at Reaper or anyone else having ago at making something for themselves, copied or not. I wish I had the means, time and patience to have ago myself.
What grates a little is, as said earlier, when it then goes into 'mass production'. Just seems a little naughty to me and possibly taking advantage of someone's good nature. Probably my ex police and government background kicking in, who knows?
So seeing as how I've set the ball rolling, I best bugger off! :laugh:
Sorry. (not really but you know. I'm at the age I can and do say anything as and when I want, kind of thing. In the scheme of things, we are all but tiny grains of sand...)

reaper wrote: .
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i take it none of you have mp3 players by the above comments

I don't do music, our lass does but she's still on cassettes!

reaper wrote: .
i take it none of you have mp3 players by the above comments

Yes but copy right law states it's legal to make one copy for personal use/backup !

On iTunes for instance if you buy a song it on one I device it automatically appears on your other I devices and your pc that you have I tunes on ! All legal.
But if you copy said song and sell that copy it's not !

Same goes for your bash plate you can make a copy if you can prove perchase and ownership of the original.
And it's a popular mid conception that something has to be patent to own the design ! Not true you just have to prove it was your design ! And you did it first !
And there are a few easy ways of doing that very cheaply ! Pm me and I'll tell you how,
And it makes it very easy to sue if it arises with a sure fire win. and also it doesn't need to be an exact copy ! Just some simerlaratys.
So be carfull with what you think you can copy as you just might cross the wrong person.

All my new designs generally get posted on forums and the post are dated ! That's proof in the eyes
of the law unless somebody else comes up with proof that they did it first.

But like I said anybody can copy my bits for them self only but it is nice to be asked.

Oh well thanks for clearing that up for me Rich. Then il just make myself a copy of the skid plate and sell my unwanted original to reaper lol.

as o said i have no intention of copying anyone , all i wanted was some base measurements to work from but if that is causing so much hastle i will jack the truck up and make my own templates ,
but mine won't cost an unreasonable amount for what is about a tenners worth of metal

just as an fyi just because you , ora , kap or anyone has an idea it doesn't belong to you unless you copyright it , i know this from experience in designing custom rc parts

Jesus .On the next day out mate just nip under neath one of the jimnys with a bash plate and have a look so not to upset people....

Smoggy wrote: Oh well thanks for clearing that up for me Rich. Then il just make myself a copy of the skid plate and sell my unwanted original to reaper lol.

You have to keep and be in possession of the original to keep a backup ! So that wont work :lol:

I'm not causing a fuss I'm just letting people know that it quite risky openly copying !

Reaper I'm sorry but your wrong ! To copyright something all you have to do is lodge evidence with a date Attached somewhere legally ! Then it's up to others to prove they did it before that date !
The easiest and cheapest way of copyrighting something is take pictures, drawings, measurements, and seal them in an envelope and post them to yourself, that will date stamp it ! Then take it unopened to your solicitor and pay a small fee for it to be stored by them. Then if and when the time comes that you have to go to court then you ask your solicitor to produce it as evidence.
If you don't believe me look into it !

Like I said I don't mind people making a sneaky copy for themselves ! We have all done it.

Reaper why don't you just get under your truck and measure like most people do ?
And make one for a tenner ! Good luck with that !

£10 for the steel + electric for welding +wire for welding+ gas for welding + part of the cost of your welder pro rater + welding gloves+ grinding/cutting wheels and part cost of grinder pro rata+ a place to do it (we all rent or buy our house) + your hourly labour rate + plus cleaning up after+ paint/powder coat.
Still think it's an exorbitant price ? Your just not counting the things you have already bought !
Agian nothing against you ! You just think what many other people do as it's an easy mistake to make, I used to think the same.
So after adding it up what way is cheaper ? A good few hours setting up and making it yourself or doing the same hours in overtime at work and just buying one ?

Food for thought !

And believe it or not I'm more on your side than the big vendors side as I'm just a man in a shed

Ive got all the above and my welding skills are reasonable, well with a MIG anyway.

Despite this I still decided to buy one as I thought it wasnt worth the hassle tbh.

Geez all this balls for one simple question ....forget it i will make my own and any for anyone else that asks
Im not getting into an argument about this its pointless but i know for a fact without copyright (either now or in the future) no claim can be made and even if it is later copyrighted it only takes a small change to warrent your claim void
Im not being an arse about it just telling you how it is as i have been there done it and all i had to show was losing money to a lawyer

reaper wrote: Geez all this balls for one simple question ....forget it i will make my own and any for anyone else that asks
Im not getting into an argument about this its pointless but i know for a fact without copyright (either now or in the future) no claim can be made and even if it is later copyrighted it only takes a small change to warrent your claim void
Im not being an arse about it just telling you how it is as i have been there done it and all i had to show was losing money to a lawyer

No need to get upset ! All I'm saying is if you are going to do it keep it to yourself.
Use pm for that sort of thing.
Advise that's all

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So who copied who ?

Just be glad there are companys who spend loads of time figuring out al sorts of stuff for our little jimnys! just crawl unde the jim with some cardboard and make some your own