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Off to view a Jimny tomorrow
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08 Mar 2010 22:05 #2631
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No eBay APP ID and/or Cert ID defined in Kunena configurationand i'm viewing this today....taking a deposit with me too as i'm rather taken with it!
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09 Mar 2010 05:03 #2633
by maverick
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Replied by maverick on topic Re:Off to view a Jimny tomorrow
I was out with Jimny_Gary last weekend - and we sort-of both agreed the best two things to have on your shopping list is:
a) Tyres - like 205/15 Diamond Backs - set for £200
b) Locker in rear axle - get them for about £200
Then after that, a LIFT of some sort - I have a 3" spring lift, opposed to a body-lift as it keeps the C.O.G down a bit.
I'd put the lift after the Locker and the tyres, as there are other things to consider with a Lift
a) Tyres - like 205/15 Diamond Backs - set for £200
b) Locker in rear axle - get them for about £200
Then after that, a LIFT of some sort - I have a 3" spring lift, opposed to a body-lift as it keeps the C.O.G down a bit.
I'd put the lift after the Locker and the tyres, as there are other things to consider with a Lift
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09 Mar 2010 06:11 - 09 Mar 2010 06:15 #2634
by mlines
Martin
2003 M13 early KAP build.
3" Trailmaster lift with 1.5 Spacers on front
Customised winch bumper and roll cage
235/85R16 Maxxis Bighorns on 16" Rims, 4:1 Rocklobster, Rear ARB locker and on-board air
Corrected arms all-round, rear disks, Recaro seats and harnesses
Replied by mlines on topic Re:Off to view a Jimny tomorrow
Brett,
I am interested in how a Spring Lift keeps the COG a bit lower?
The way I see it you can imagine a car as a 3 layer cake.
At the bottom, you have the axles.
In the middle, you have the chassis with the gearbox and engine attached.
At the top you have the body with the tin-foil exterior and slightly overweight driver (me!)
If you perform a spring lift this sits between the axle layer and the chassis layer, therefore it lifts the chassis, gearbox, engine, tin-foil body and fat driver higher.
If you perform a body lift this sits between the chassis layer and the body layer, therefore it lifts just the tin-foil body and the fat driver higher, leaving the heavy chassis, engine and gearbox all where they were, therefore I think a spring lift raises the COG more than a body lift.
Taking into consideration that a lift is needed to fit larger tyres then you have to factor in the effect of the larger tyres on both styles of lift. The larger tyres lift the "axle layer" of the cake, therefore both spring lifts and body lifts are affected in the same way by the tyres therefore, in my mind this can be discounted. So I think a spring lift raises the COG more than a body lift, when each is take in isolation.
I could be wrong, this is just me thinking about it in a very cold London, keeping warm in Costa Coffee.
Now a Body Lift can be less visually pleasing because of the gap it opens between the chassis, bumper and body. But I think its jst that - its cosmetically less tidy but actually has a lower COG because of that gap, all the heavy stuff (excluding the driver) doesn't move!
Martin
I am interested in how a Spring Lift keeps the COG a bit lower?
The way I see it you can imagine a car as a 3 layer cake.
At the bottom, you have the axles.
In the middle, you have the chassis with the gearbox and engine attached.
At the top you have the body with the tin-foil exterior and slightly overweight driver (me!)
If you perform a spring lift this sits between the axle layer and the chassis layer, therefore it lifts the chassis, gearbox, engine, tin-foil body and fat driver higher.
If you perform a body lift this sits between the chassis layer and the body layer, therefore it lifts just the tin-foil body and the fat driver higher, leaving the heavy chassis, engine and gearbox all where they were, therefore I think a spring lift raises the COG more than a body lift.
Taking into consideration that a lift is needed to fit larger tyres then you have to factor in the effect of the larger tyres on both styles of lift. The larger tyres lift the "axle layer" of the cake, therefore both spring lifts and body lifts are affected in the same way by the tyres therefore, in my mind this can be discounted. So I think a spring lift raises the COG more than a body lift, when each is take in isolation.
I could be wrong, this is just me thinking about it in a very cold London, keeping warm in Costa Coffee.
Now a Body Lift can be less visually pleasing because of the gap it opens between the chassis, bumper and body. But I think its jst that - its cosmetically less tidy but actually has a lower COG because of that gap, all the heavy stuff (excluding the driver) doesn't move!
Martin
Martin
2003 M13 early KAP build.
3" Trailmaster lift with 1.5 Spacers on front
Customised winch bumper and roll cage
235/85R16 Maxxis Bighorns on 16" Rims, 4:1 Rocklobster, Rear ARB locker and on-board air
Corrected arms all-round, rear disks, Recaro seats and harnesses
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09 Mar 2010 06:55 #2635
by maverick
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Replied by maverick on topic Re:Off to view a Jimny tomorrow
I hear what you say Martin, but I've been in Jimny with a spring lift and a body lift - and the Body Lift Jimny is certainly a lot more 'tippy' !!
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09 Mar 2010 07:00 #2636
by mlines
Martin
2003 M13 early KAP build.
3" Trailmaster lift with 1.5 Spacers on front
Customised winch bumper and roll cage
235/85R16 Maxxis Bighorns on 16" Rims, 4:1 Rocklobster, Rear ARB locker and on-board air
Corrected arms all-round, rear disks, Recaro seats and harnesses
Replied by mlines on topic Re:Off to view a Jimny tomorrow
Perhaps the feeling of being "tippy" is due to your seating position relative to the "rotation" point of tip. I will have a think, with a body lift you are sitting further away from the COG and the point of rotation of the tip so it would feel more, I think?
Martin
Martin
Martin
2003 M13 early KAP build.
3" Trailmaster lift with 1.5 Spacers on front
Customised winch bumper and roll cage
235/85R16 Maxxis Bighorns on 16" Rims, 4:1 Rocklobster, Rear ARB locker and on-board air
Corrected arms all-round, rear disks, Recaro seats and harnesses
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