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How to get a Power Steering Belt back on ....

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16 Aug 2011 07:38 - 16 Aug 2011 07:54 #20426 by maverick
Whilst off-roading on Sunday, my alternator Fan Belt snapped - getting a new Fan Belt fitted is relatively easy, by undoing the two bolts on the cross-bar between alternator and the engine and move alternator upwards (cupping hands underneath it) ... sadly on my 54'plate Jimny you have to remove the Power Steering (P/.S) Belt FIRST!!

Getting the P/S Belt of was bad enough - undoing the centre bolt-head on the tension pulley, and using a crow-bar we nudged the tensioner enough to get the P/S Belt removed to allow the new Fan Belt to go back on!

Now we had loads of hassle (dont forget we're off-road here) getting the P/S Belt back on .. we did but it wasnt on properly and i needed to get it back correctly so here's what I've done this morning!

Note i started this at 8am and I'd finished at 9am (even after working out how the tensioner works, cleaning parts up, and even taking a few photo's ) ...

a) The Haynes Manual always says take of the Battery leads - but i dont, especially you'll be needing the battery later - see step (m)

b) On Sunday we didnt want to remove the radiator, but believe me it SO MUCH easier to remove it, so remove radiator

c) Drain Radiator, my plug is seen from the top to be at the bottom right. When all water out, start to remove radiator by removing the Simon (the Radiator Cowell), then remove the 4 or 5 (i only have 4 - lost one?) little 10mm bolts, then remove the top two 10mm bolts from Radiator Stays (straight bars from bottom to top left and right of radiator) no need to remove the bottom ones!! Release the Top and Bottom Hoses Clips (releasing the bottom one can be an arse - aka skin loss)... Take out radiator.

d) I started working on things but quickly realised that things will be so much easier without the viscous fan there - so undo the 4 10mm bolts and remove the plastic fan.

e) The tensioner sits on the engine block between the pulleys, its removed (i wanted to clean mine up as it should move on the top right bolt i undone. Mine was stuck tight (I'll explain later why!)

f) Using a crow-bar to release tension (would have been nice to have an assistant here, but she was still at work ... Lynne is a Nursing Sister - still on Nights) so with a tough of luck ad a strong bicep i managed to release the tensioner enough to get the P/S belt removed.

g) Now i took my tensioner off (undoing the nylock nut), gave it a good clean

h) I had a couple of failed attempt in putting the belt on and then putting the tensioner on .. it just wasnt right, until i realised how clever Mr. Suzuki was ...

i) Remove the P/S Belt and put the Tensioner on FIRST - put on the Nylock nut and ensure its tight enough to stay on (its a nylock) but still allows the tensioner to move - move under pressure, not sloppy

j) Now put the Tensioner BOLT on do it up, but all that way (so maybe 3 -4 before locked up)

k) Now put the P/S belt on .. .you'll notice that no-way-Jose is this belt going on ...

l) BIG NOTE here ... the pulley's rotate CLOCK-WISE

m) Get the P/S Belt onto the top right pulley as far as you can, i got mine on to about 2 o'clock..... then go and click start the engine, dont start the engine, just turn it over once or twice -- go back to pulley, and MAGIC has happened - the belt is on!!

n) Now do up that Tensioner Bolt, and start engine and watch carefully to ensure that belt is staying on!

o) Stop engine - and re-assemble everything.

p) Put on Viscous Fan - be careful tightening up the little 10mm bolts

q) Align the Simon (the radiator cowell)

r) Slide in radiator, slide on the top and bottom hoses - dont put on Hose clips yet as getting the radiator onto the bottom LUGS can be an arse ... be good to have an assistant here (she's still at work - probably doing some retail therapy) to shove down as you're underneath aligning the lugs on the radiator bottom .. i lost a bit more skin and a few words doing it alone.

s) Put in the two top 10mm bolts into the radiator stays

t) Put the 4 or 5 10mm bolts into the Simon

u) When you're happy that Radiator sits correct, using strong pliers slide on the top and bottom hose clips - again doing the lower hose can be an arse!

v) now the slow progress of filling up the radiator ... personally i add some Anti-Freeze first (as i used to forget about it afterwards ... so a little at first) then maybe half fill radiator and start engine, then using a small cup/container slowly drip feed water into radiator ... whilst the engine is running ... be careful as fast and moving parts (that viscous fan) will hurt you!

w) I fill up radiator slowly leaving the radiator cap OFF ... when no more water goes in, put on radiator cap and let engine get hot (if you're in the garage, like i am, open garage door - we dont you killing yourself with exhaust fumes do we) ...

x) When engine hot, testing by hot air coming out of heater --- leave engine running for a good 5-10mins .. carefully pressing top and bottom hoses to get circluation going.

y) Now stop engine, let it cool, remove radiator cap, and if more water needed add it ... and repeating steps (v) (w) and (x) until no more goes in ...

z) Go and have breakfast and welcome home the Nurse with her shopping bags!!

Go and get yourself replacement Belts (Fan and Power Steering) ...

I hope all this helps!!

Oh, the reason we had so much problem putting the P/S belt on when we were off-road was that someone had tightened-up the nylock nut on the tensioner, so it wouldnt move/slide ... now when i undo the bolt on the tensioner it moves ... it wont drop off as the nylock nut is keeping it on!!


Martin - I can create WORD Document from this if you want, inserting pictures as and when needed, so you can add it to the How To section?

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16 Aug 2011 07:45 #20427 by mlines
Yes please on creating the how-to, it will be credited to you.

Just how many spares do you carry
??, reading Daves blog you ended up rebuilding half the vehicles on the trip!


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16 Aug 2011 08:02 - 16 Aug 2011 08:04 #20431 by maverick
I never used to carry spare belts; until Gary blew his up Chapel Gate last year ... since then I always carry a spare Fan Belt and a spare P/S Belt.

As to spareƃʒƂĀ¢ĆƒĀ¢Ć¢ā‚¬Å”ƂĀ¬ĆƒĀ¢Ć¢ā‚¬Å¾Ć‚Ā¢s...well:

* Spare Tyre, of course
* Lots of spare nuts/bolts
* Tools of course - i take the Halfords kit with me (see photo)
* Long/Strong Pliers
* Screw drivers
* Crow-bar
* B4V Spade
* Bow Saw
* Hand Axe
* Lots of rags and mucky-hand wipes (Andy had some great ones)
* Spare Lights bulbs
* Spare strops in case you need to strap/strop things down that have come loose)

ThatƃʒƂĀ¢ĆƒĀ¢Ć¢ā‚¬Å”ƂĀ¬ĆƒĀ¢Ć¢ā‚¬Å¾Ć‚Ā¢s about it...

Gary did think on Sunday carrying spare CV's and Half Shafts... but would you really want to reapir/replace a CV or a half shaft up a mountain ... and to be quite honest, we're driving Jimny's, not VitaraƃʒƂĀ¢ĆƒĀ¢Ć¢ā‚¬Å”ƂĀ¬ĆƒĀ¢Ć¢ā‚¬Å¾Ć‚Ā¢s...

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16 Aug 2011 08:46 #20435 by SPC5838
When my crankshaft pulley commited suicide (VVt) on the motorway I had the same kind of problem but fortunately the belts didn't snap - I had a cople of spanners and a breaker bar and socket :huh: I just managed to wind the belts back on by turning the crankshaft pulley, but I wouldn't be in a rush to do it again !

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16 Aug 2011 10:34 #20440 by Mumbo Jimbo
Replied by Mumbo Jimbo on topic Re: How to get a Power Steering Belt back on ....
Great guide, will be having a go at this soon as my Alternator belt looks like it's seen better days. I've got air-con too (run off the Power Steering belt) but hopefully that won't cause any extra bother. Will have a go at it this week sometime.

I have the same halfords set it the car - excellent set comes in handy so often.

Cheers

Trevor

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16 Aug 2011 10:38 - 16 Aug 2011 10:39 #20441 by maverick
I've sent Martin a MS-WORD document with all my piuctures in!

PM me if you want my copy?

How old is your Jimny .... ??

Me, I'd be thinking about replacing the belts now!! - not when your on-road or offroading ...

I'm setting up a Calendar reminder to do them every year, as two new belts only cost me ĆƒĘ’Ć¢ā‚¬Å”ƃā€šĆ‚Ā£15 - so must be worth changing once per year at that price - peace of mind, huh!!

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16 Aug 2011 10:44 #20442 by Mumbo Jimbo
Replied by Mumbo Jimbo on topic Re: How to get a Power Steering Belt back on ....
It's a 2002 and don't think the belts will have been changed before. It doesn't look like a fun job to do on the drive..... let alone down a muddy lane! Will take you advice of keeping spare belts in too, once I'm sure I've got the right ones.

Cheers

Trevor

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16 Aug 2011 10:47 #20443 by maverick
it took me only ONE HOUR start to end on the drive (in my garage - no lift/ramp) ... hardest part is getting the radiator off/on -- and thats only 2 bolts for the Rad and 4 for the simon, and two hose-clips, then remove the viscous fan (4 studs) ...

Its so so much easier without the Radiator!!

Do it now, before they break when you DONT WANT THEM TOO!

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16 Aug 2011 10:49 #20444 by Mumbo Jimbo
Replied by Mumbo Jimbo on topic Re: How to get a Power Steering Belt back on ....
Thanks, have sent you a pm. Good advice - things always break at the worst time!

Cheers

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16 Aug 2011 10:52 #20445 by maverick
Document sent ...

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16 Aug 2011 10:59 #20446 by Mumbo Jimbo
Replied by Mumbo Jimbo on topic Re: How to get a Power Steering Belt back on ....
Thanks

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16 Aug 2011 11:15 #20447 by facade
Was this on a twin cam?
The only difficulty I encountered was in getting the alternator pivot bolt undone so the alternator would move.
Took me half a day to strip the radiator out, and remove the alternator brackets from the engine, but that includes 50 trips into the shed and garage coming back with a different spanner/lever/socket/bowl for water etc. each time ;)

now getting a tool through the hole in the tensioner to apply tension was a bit of trouble too

If it suddenly breaks, go back to the last thing that you did before it broke and start looking there :)

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