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Gen4 offroad modification
09 Aug 2023 19:37 #250188
by giacomom
Gen4 offroad modification was created by giacomom
Hi all,
JB74 with 3" lift kit , 215/75-15 mud tyres,and front and rear e-locker,but looking for further modifications to improve off-road mobility
so I would like to know if by removing the front stabilizer bar I could have stability problems or something else, has any of you removed it ?
I saw that it greatly limits the progression as its extremes are very low and subject to bumps and bends.....
thank you
Giacomo
JB74 with 3" lift kit , 215/75-15 mud tyres,and front and rear e-locker,but looking for further modifications to improve off-road mobility
so I would like to know if by removing the front stabilizer bar I could have stability problems or something else, has any of you removed it ?
I saw that it greatly limits the progression as its extremes are very low and subject to bumps and bends.....
thank you
Giacomo
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10 Aug 2023 03:28 #250190
by Lambert
Temeraire (2018 quasar grey automatic)
One of the last 200ish of the gen3s, probably.
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Replied by Lambert on topic Gen4 offroad modification
If you have lockers then you don't really need massive articulation as having a wheel in the air isn't an issue for traction. As far as it goes for stability the bar doesn't limit movement that much in real world conditions. I ran for a few months without mine and you very quickly adapt your driving to accommodate the difference either on or off road so much that the initial benefit is soon lost so I put it back on.
Temeraire (2018 quasar grey automatic)
One of the last 200ish of the gen3s, probably.
ADOS Attention Deficit Ooooh Shiny!
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10 Aug 2023 11:14 #250195
by giacomom
Replied by giacomom on topic Gen4 offroad modification
Thank you Lambert,
in fact, the eventual elimination of the bar is not to have more articulation in the extreme twists, where they very well compensate for the lockers, but to have no obstacles in the progression
it often collides with large stones and therefore blocks progress, as well as the impact could bend it.....
I was more interested in knowing if road behavior on asphalt was affected with loss of stability or directionality
in fact, the eventual elimination of the bar is not to have more articulation in the extreme twists, where they very well compensate for the lockers, but to have no obstacles in the progression
it often collides with large stones and therefore blocks progress, as well as the impact could bend it.....
I was more interested in knowing if road behavior on asphalt was affected with loss of stability or directionality
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10 Aug 2023 13:08 #250197
by fordem
Replied by fordem on topic Gen4 offroad modification
I would strongly recommend AGAINST the removal of the stabilizer bar on any vehicle that sees a significant amount of on road usage.
You're going to have increased body roll in turns, an increased tendency to lifting & spinning the inside rear tire when accelerating through a turn (for example moving off at an intersection) especially a right turn.
Removal will also further increase the possibility of rolling the vehicle if you need to make a sudden evasive manoeuvre, I say further increased because the 3" lift has already raised the center of gravity some.
On dirt I wouldn't be too concerned, but on asphalt at a reasonable clip, there's a real risk of a traction roll.
You're going to have increased body roll in turns, an increased tendency to lifting & spinning the inside rear tire when accelerating through a turn (for example moving off at an intersection) especially a right turn.
Removal will also further increase the possibility of rolling the vehicle if you need to make a sudden evasive manoeuvre, I say further increased because the 3" lift has already raised the center of gravity some.
On dirt I wouldn't be too concerned, but on asphalt at a reasonable clip, there's a real risk of a traction roll.
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10 Aug 2023 16:20 #250202
by giacomom
Replied by giacomom on topic Gen4 offroad modification
Thank you fordem,
this is exactly what I expected to hear, from someone who actually removed the bar and drove the vehicle on asphalt......
I assume that not even by fitting harder adjustable shock absorbers can you be 100% safe.....
Giacomo
this is exactly what I expected to hear, from someone who actually removed the bar and drove the vehicle on asphalt......
I assume that not even by fitting harder adjustable shock absorbers can you be 100% safe.....
Giacomo
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10 Aug 2023 20:02 - 10 Aug 2023 20:03 #250208
by 300bhpton
Plenty of vehicles have been sold without anti roll bars. I have two Land Rovers sat outside the house without them. Plus previously had a Disco 1 that didn’t come with anti roll bars from the factory. Some variants of the Defender didn’t have anti roll bars as standard right up until the end of production in 2016.
It will lean more for sure. But doesn’t mean it can’t be perfectly safe and drivable.
Replied by 300bhpton on topic Gen4 offroad modification
Not sure I can agree with this ‘real world’.I would strongly recommend AGAINST the removal of the stabilizer bar on any vehicle that sees a significant amount of on road usage.
You're going to have increased body roll in turns, an increased tendency to lifting & spinning the inside rear tire when accelerating through a turn (for example moving off at an intersection) especially a right turn.
Removal will also further increase the possibility of rolling the vehicle if you need to make a sudden evasive manoeuvre, I say further increased because the 3" lift has already raised the center of gravity some.
On dirt I wouldn't be too concerned, but on asphalt at a reasonable clip, there's a real risk of a traction roll.
Plenty of vehicles have been sold without anti roll bars. I have two Land Rovers sat outside the house without them. Plus previously had a Disco 1 that didn’t come with anti roll bars from the factory. Some variants of the Defender didn’t have anti roll bars as standard right up until the end of production in 2016.
It will lean more for sure. But doesn’t mean it can’t be perfectly safe and drivable.
Last edit: 10 Aug 2023 20:03 by 300bhpton.
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