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Losing my brakes - front/rear adjuster keeps blowing
17 Apr 2023 21:53 #248670
by facade
The correct thread depends on what the previous owner used for the fittings, it should be M10x1, but it could be 3/8" UNF.
As we have no idea what the previous owner did to the braking system, it would probably be safer to just replace with an identical valve.
If it suddenly breaks, go back to the last thing that you did before it broke and start looking there
Replied by facade on topic Losing my brakes - front/rear adjuster keeps blowing
You want a female brake pipe joiner with the correct thread.
Thanks for that. Is there an easy way to join those pipes if all the right bits are in place?
The correct thread depends on what the previous owner used for the fittings, it should be M10x1, but it could be 3/8" UNF.
As we have no idea what the previous owner did to the braking system, it would probably be safer to just replace with an identical valve.
If it suddenly breaks, go back to the last thing that you did before it broke and start looking there
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21 Apr 2023 16:50 #248744
by CFJimny
Replied by CFJimny on topic Losing my brakes - front/rear adjuster keeps blowing
From the Reg, it's a 2002 Jimny Special. Here are some pictures - some have some green lines to indicate the copper brake lines. Does this help?
"As we have no idea what the previous owner did to the braking system...
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21 Apr 2023 16:54 #248747
by CFJimny
Replied by CFJimny on topic Losing my brakes - front/rear adjuster keeps blowing
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21 Apr 2023 18:01 - 21 Apr 2023 18:03 #248749
by facade
If it suddenly breaks, go back to the last thing that you did before it broke and start looking there
Replied by facade on topic Losing my brakes - front/rear adjuster keeps blowing
Where do the pipes on this joiner go?
I can't tell with those small pictures, but it looks to me like one to the rear axle through that valve inside the car, one to the front circuit, and one to the rear circuit, so the 2 circuits are joined.
If you start at the master cylinder.
One pipe goes direct to the NS front wheel (those flexis look a bit short to me, but it might be the photo)
The other two pipes go through flexis to that muddy joiner.
one front outlet goes to the OS front
The other front outlet should go to the load valve above the back axle (that you don''t have)
The single rear outlet goes to the load valve above the back axle.
So two pipes go from that muddy joiner to the rear axle on an unmodified car.
How it should be (non-abs)
What I think has happened, I am not sure because I can't see clearly, is that someone has joined both outlets for the rear axle together with 2 arms of a T piece, and run the third arm to the back axle through a variable valve inside the car. This is supported by no front brakes or rear brakes when the seal blows.
What I would do FOR OFF ROAD USE ONLY is plug the outlet from the front that used to go to the rear so the front brakes are on their own circuit again, and forget the T piece, simply running the pipe to the rear, either direct, and risk rear lock up all the time, or through a new valve. It won't be a disaster if the valve blows now, as the fronts will still work.
That plug on the transfer box I suspect is the speedometer sensor.
I can't tell with those small pictures, but it looks to me like one to the rear axle through that valve inside the car, one to the front circuit, and one to the rear circuit, so the 2 circuits are joined.
If you start at the master cylinder.
One pipe goes direct to the NS front wheel (those flexis look a bit short to me, but it might be the photo)
The other two pipes go through flexis to that muddy joiner.
one front outlet goes to the OS front
The other front outlet should go to the load valve above the back axle (that you don''t have)
The single rear outlet goes to the load valve above the back axle.
So two pipes go from that muddy joiner to the rear axle on an unmodified car.
How it should be (non-abs)
What I think has happened, I am not sure because I can't see clearly, is that someone has joined both outlets for the rear axle together with 2 arms of a T piece, and run the third arm to the back axle through a variable valve inside the car. This is supported by no front brakes or rear brakes when the seal blows.
What I would do FOR OFF ROAD USE ONLY is plug the outlet from the front that used to go to the rear so the front brakes are on their own circuit again, and forget the T piece, simply running the pipe to the rear, either direct, and risk rear lock up all the time, or through a new valve. It won't be a disaster if the valve blows now, as the fronts will still work.
That plug on the transfer box I suspect is the speedometer sensor.
If it suddenly breaks, go back to the last thing that you did before it broke and start looking there
Last edit: 21 Apr 2023 18:03 by facade.
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21 Apr 2023 19:46 - 22 Apr 2023 17:04 #248750
by CFJimny
Replied by CFJimny on topic Losing my brakes - front/rear adjuster keeps blowing
Awesome response - thank you, that is really helpful. I'll take a video/better pictures tomorrow for clarity.
My Jimny is strictly an off-road workhorse. It has to handle steep slopes and heavy loads/drags, but speed isn't a concern Brakes are though!
My Jimny is strictly an off-road workhorse. It has to handle steep slopes and heavy loads/drags, but speed isn't a concern Brakes are though!
Last edit: 22 Apr 2023 17:04 by CFJimny.
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22 Apr 2023 17:17 #248761
by CFJimny
I made a couple of videos but the forum didn't like them
If the system is as you think it is, and I think you are right, what are the risks of just bypassing the valve? Two valves have broken in quick succession so I don't think it's a useful mod, but then I'm not confident I'd make a great job of changing the system myself.
I was thinking of just epoxy'ing the screw area of the valve to get me going, then replace the whole thing with some adapter at a later stage. The brakes + mod have been fine for about a year so I'm wondering what's making them fail now. Any ideas?
Replied by CFJimny on topic Losing my brakes - front/rear adjuster keeps blowing
I made a couple of videos but the forum didn't like them
If the system is as you think it is, and I think you are right, what are the risks of just bypassing the valve? Two valves have broken in quick succession so I don't think it's a useful mod, but then I'm not confident I'd make a great job of changing the system myself.
I was thinking of just epoxy'ing the screw area of the valve to get me going, then replace the whole thing with some adapter at a later stage. The brakes + mod have been fine for about a year so I'm wondering what's making them fail now. Any ideas?
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