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Perhaps this is why Suzuki have dropped the Jimny

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26 Jul 2024 16:33 #256941 by DrRobin
Annouced today that Ford's electric car division has lost £38,700 on every electric car they have sold.

highways-news.com/ford-loses-almost-4000...-every-electric-car/

The high cost of converting to electric, swapping production lines round then the poor/flat sales all meant that Ford E lost $1.1bn making just less than 24,000 cars.

I would imagine it's a similar story at all of the manufacturers who used to make IC powered vehicles with Suzuki been no exception.  The cost of making an electric Jimny is probably never going to be recouped with a vehicle that doesn't sell in big numbers.

Despite all of that I hope they do come back with an electric Jimny and there are plenty of rumours that they have already started, but we will have to wait and see.

Robin
 

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26 Jul 2024 17:26 #256943 by fordem
I seem to recall having this discussion before and the general consensus seemed to be that an EV was not an appropriate powertrain choice for an off road vehicle.

I'm going to stick my neck out and suggest that EVs are not going to be a viable personal transportation solution for perhaps more than half the world population.

Until & unless the world moves to renewable energy as the primary source of electric power generation, EVs simply move the point of pollution from the vehicle tail pipe to the power station smoke stack. That fact aside, I suspect a significant percentage of the world population do not live in housing that facilitates overnight charging, and even if they did, the power generation & distribution systems will require significant upgrades to cope with a mass switch to EVs.
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26 Jul 2024 19:27 #256948 by Roger Fairclough
Better still we need to switch direction and pursue the ultimate dream; the conversion of matter into energy without any waste products.

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26 Jul 2024 19:54 #256951 by Rogerzilla
Ford have probably been dumping EVs on the market, selling them at a huge loss, to avoid the volume-related fines.  A couple of months ago  you could get some electric pickups for £100/month.  Not sure they were Fords, but the point is that it's cheaper to almost give them away than it is not to make them, or will become so imminently.
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26 Jul 2024 23:59 #256953 by Bob9863
Another problem is massive depreciation in EV's 2nd had value, when you buy a new car then you expect it to loose value, but not crash in price. On top of that there is a massive over supply of EV vehicles sitting around unable to sell. Thats got to tell you something, waiting times for a new ICE Jimny is around 6 months, they are sold before they are built, EV's on the other hand are built, stockpiled, and then sold at a loss.
Thats definitely not a good business model to follow.

its going to bankrupt the big car makers, being forced to build cars that are both expensive and so hard to sell.
I can see a future where you buy a cheap 2nd hand EV for driving day to day around town and then have an ICE sitting at home for the weekends and long trips.

There's another problem, connecting the EV to your house as a battery, apparently yiu can run a regular house for 3 days off of an EV battery. The trouble with that is it means everytime you charge up your using enough power to run 3 houses for a day.
we can't sustain that amount of electricity production, and i doubt theres a single country thats electricity grid could handle that kind of usage.

so if you live somewhere like the UK or EU that is about to loose new ICE vehicles, hold onto your Jimny and look after it damn well, its not just about to become a classic car, its going to become an expensive collectors piece. Everyone that needs and wants an ICE will be paying a premium for good condition existing ICE vehicles.

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27 Jul 2024 02:47 - 27 Jul 2024 02:49 #256954 by yakuza
Half of every car in Norway is Electric and most of those charge at home. Charging is done at night when other consumption is low.
Not possible yet to run the house from your EV battery. Imagine the electrical and motor vehicle departments having to agree on how that is done, i cannot see that happening here in a long time.
As mentioned, without clean renewable energy in the power grid there is not a complete reduction in emissions in other countries. But still a gain in greener distribution of energy. 

Running more than half of every car from the power grid here have not had any large consequence on the power grid or generally.
In some places though with old grids not all can get a home charger installed at max amps.
Inner cities where people live in flats there is also problems with getting your power to your car parking.

EV used car price here is ok. With 8 year or less battery warranty the price level will follow that some what.
But good petrol cars stay better in price level and Jimnys too.

Anyways the battery tech is what I will wait for before buying an EV.

Norway 2005 Jimny M16A VVT, 235 BFG MT, 2" Trailmaster, ARB rear lck, 17%/87% high/low gears.
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