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Ballast when towing?
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26 Feb 2024 14:35 #254606
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The max. towing weight of an un-braked trailer is 350 kg and that for a braked trailer is 1,300 kg. These figures are in the handbook and the specification guide and the V5 document and relate to a Gen.4 Jimny, which I believe is the same for a Gen.3.You are wrong to assume.
Towing capacity
If there is not any local regulation about the towing capacity (for example, registered or statutory towing capacity), the recommended general towing capacities are;
Recommended general towing capacity:
Braked trailer: 450kg
Unbraked trailer: 350kg
If there is a regulation which specifies maximum trailer weights greater than the capacities shown above; vehicles sold in these countries have towing capacities which match the maximum trailer weight permitted.
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26 Feb 2024 14:53 #254607
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I know you are determined to take issue with virtually everything I say but as Busta has stated if the v5 doesn't specify an un-braked limit suzuki themselves are happy that they produced a vehicle capable of meeting the local regulations in the country it is sold in which as I have said before is half the kerb weight of the vehicle under the construction and use regulations. So again if your jimny is old enough to not have a figure on the v5 then 550kg give or take is fine.
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Replied by Lambert on topic Ballast when towing?
The max. towing weight of an un-braked trailer is 350 kg and that for a braked trailer is 1,300 kg. These figures are in the handbook and the specification guide and the V5 document and relate to a Gen.4 Jimny, which I believe is the same for a Gen.3.You are wrong to assume.
Towing capacity
If there is not any local regulation about the towing capacity (for example, registered or statutory towing capacity), the recommended general towing capacities are;
Recommended general towing capacity:
Braked trailer: 450kg
Unbraked trailer: 350kg
If there is a regulation which specifies maximum trailer weights greater than the capacities shown above; vehicles sold in these countries have towing capacities which match the maximum trailer weight permitted.
Roger
I know you are determined to take issue with virtually everything I say but as Busta has stated if the v5 doesn't specify an un-braked limit suzuki themselves are happy that they produced a vehicle capable of meeting the local regulations in the country it is sold in which as I have said before is half the kerb weight of the vehicle under the construction and use regulations. So again if your jimny is old enough to not have a figure on the v5 then 550kg give or take is fine.
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26 Feb 2024 15:12 #254608
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I don't take issue with anyone unless the subject can be construed as dangerous or life threatening. The point here is that Suzuki have clearly stated the towing limits for the Gen.4 Jimny and that is what I have listed. I have given the weights for both braked and un-braked whereas the figure of 550 kg is not related to braked or un-braked. Would you please advise where this figure came from.
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26 Feb 2024 15:41 #254609
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It's taken directly from the Road Vehicles (construction and use) Regulations 1986
Paragraph 87 part 1 b.
"it is drawn by a vehicle of which the kerbside weight is less than twice the sum of the unladen weight of the trailer and the weight of any load which the trailer is carrying."
www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1986/1078/regulation/87/made
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I don't take issue with anyone unless the subject can be construed as dangerous or life threatening. The point here is that Suzuki have clearly stated the towing limits for the Gen.4 Jimny and that is what I have listed. I have given the weights for both braked and un-braked whereas the figure of 550 kg is not related to braked or un-braked. Would you please advise where this figure came from.
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It's taken directly from the Road Vehicles (construction and use) Regulations 1986
Paragraph 87 part 1 b.
"it is drawn by a vehicle of which the kerbside weight is less than twice the sum of the unladen weight of the trailer and the weight of any load which the trailer is carrying."
www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1986/1078/regulation/87/made
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26 Feb 2024 18:58 #254613
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Replied by Busta on topic Ballast when towing?
Clearly the information in the Gen4 manual differs from the Gen3 manual.
Lambert is correct in that, unless a different figure is written on the V5, UK law specifies the unbraked towing capacity of a car is half the kerb weight or 750kg, whichever is lower. The Gen3 manual, as I have quoted, states that this regulation would take precedence over Suzuki's guideline figure of 350kg, just as it does with the braked towing capacity.
Some Gen3 Jimnys have 350kg unbraked towing capacity written on the V5, others don't. The ones that don't therefore have an unbraked towing capacity of 550kg. As I stated earlier I have towed an unbraked trailer weighing around 550kg for tens of thousands of miles. It is not a dangerous thing to do.
Lambert is correct in that, unless a different figure is written on the V5, UK law specifies the unbraked towing capacity of a car is half the kerb weight or 750kg, whichever is lower. The Gen3 manual, as I have quoted, states that this regulation would take precedence over Suzuki's guideline figure of 350kg, just as it does with the braked towing capacity.
Some Gen3 Jimnys have 350kg unbraked towing capacity written on the V5, others don't. The ones that don't therefore have an unbraked towing capacity of 550kg. As I stated earlier I have towed an unbraked trailer weighing around 550kg for tens of thousands of miles. It is not a dangerous thing to do.
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26 Feb 2024 20:12 #254616
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Oh and just for reference my 2018 auto with a tow bar, no back seats just a plywood deck, most of a tank of fuel and the majority of my everyday carry removed tips the weighbridge at 1140kg which by most definition is its kerb weight. That figure is around 80kg up on the minimum in the hand book the difference being the fuel and fluids and the towing equipment.
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