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What's the biggest battery you can fit in a Gen.4?

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02 Jan 2023 14:33 #246635 by Roger Fairclough
My old 70 series LandCruiser was fitted with the winter pack and that included two 110 amp batteries which were wired in parallel. Nothing fancy just two big batteries.
Modern cars use the lightest items that will do the job and that includes thin wires and small batteries. I charge Vivs Audi once a month and ditto Tonka. I use a Ctek charger which gives the battery what it wants without overcharging it. You can leave it connected full time if you so wish. Having to replace the battery that often is probably down to the belief that the system is infallible. Trust me/us, it isn't. Buy a Ctek or equivalent and sleep easier.
It was George in Australia who had a lot of the problems associated with flat battery and alternators switching off.
I am fitting a bigger capacity battery when the store re-opens. Think of it as a bigger fuel tank, you don't need it most of time but when you do, you've got it.

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02 Jan 2023 18:03 #246640 by DrRobin
Two weeks sounds a bit quick, but if it wasn’t used for 2 weeks, it’s only 100mA/hr to sap 33Ahr in two weeks, so might take a little finding. My Gen3 is less than half that and I have a Bluetooth battery monitor on which takes a few mA.

Have you fitted anything that is powered all of the time, camera, tracker, etc?

Robin

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03 Jan 2023 15:08 #246645 by Nan
Went to the dealer today after getting jumpstart and battery test(FAILED) from my friend. I have just a dashcam and the normal radio/media dashboard setup.

The battery I am using is Motolite MSFN60L.
Dealer did not allow access to their workshop. It might as well go into a black hole in my opinion. Anyway, it was a busy day and I was rather late. Managed to get the battery replaced because jumpstart did not work at all at the dealer. Maybe I will leave it with the dealer when I go for a long  break in future. 
I still feel something is wrong somewhere. 
These intelligent electronics gets on my nerves.


 

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03 Jan 2023 15:28 #246646 by Lambert
So it's killing the battery not just flattening it? I have a very deep mistrust of dealership service departments especially if they don't have viewing facilities. If it were me I would be marking the battery in a way that I could identify if they have replaced it or just charged it. I would also be looking for an alternative professional garage to get a second opinion, even a motor factor with a battery condition tester like Halfords or German and Swedish could check it and even change it for a small fee. I just can't get my head around how leaving the car alone for a fortnight is writing off the battery? My land cruiser will flatten it's battery if I leave it too long but it's just flat not ruined needing a replacement.

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03 Jan 2023 15:44 #246647 by Nan
I just recalled one of my goner battery was because I was careless to leave my headlights overnight. 

Thinking back, maybe it should be a case that a jumpstart can resolve instead of replacing the battery.

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03 Jan 2023 17:40 #246651 by Lambert
Unless there's something absolutely catastrophically wrong with the rest of the electrical system, which would be abundantly obvious to even the most newly qualified dealer workshop tech, leaving the lights on is never going to destroy a battery, it will simply need a recharge.

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03 Jan 2023 19:20 #246652 by Roger Fairclough
Leaving the headlamps on overnight will kill a battery. Re-charging it is pointless.

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03 Jan 2023 19:55 #246653 by Lambert

Leaving the headlamps on overnight will kill a battery. Re-charging it is pointless.

Roger

I have left enough stereos running and lights on and such often to the same battery repeatedly and never once have I had a direct result be a written off battery. I'm not saying it's something you should aim to do frequently but it won't automatically write a battery off unless there's something else going on like the alternator providing unregulated voltage or something else serious.

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03 Jan 2023 22:28 #246655 by Roger Fairclough
A battery is considered dead when the voltage drops to 11.7. Just what would you consider is necessary to achieve this figure?

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03 Jan 2023 23:33 #246656 by DrRobin

A battery is considered dead when the voltage drops to 11.7. Just what would you consider is necessary to achieve this figure?

Roger
A battery at 11.7v might be flat but it will easily recharge on even a basic charger.  Below 10v it will probably recharge but might have some loss of capacity and might need several reconditioning cycles.  Lead Acid batteries don’t fail all because the voltage gets low, they have to be in that state for an extended period or have to suffer another problem, too many charge/discharge cycles, massive over-voltage, large discharge currents, ripple when charging, vibration, a build up of sulphates, etc.

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05 Jan 2023 11:48 #246679 by Roger Fairclough
I have fitted a Yuasa HSB 053 battery to replace the standard unit. I look on this upgrade as just that, extra capacity as and when or even if it is necessary in the future. My thanks to all those who offered advice.

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17 Jan 2023 20:01 - 18 Jan 2023 10:34 #246976 by fluoxethine
My Jimny 2021 is eating battery like crazy when locked. I guess it's because of the alarm system. The battery went completely flat (to a few V) 2-3 times. Now it lasts only 24h. I'm trying to save it by using Noco GENIUS5 repair mode several times (2x4h didn't help much).

I'm looking into AGM batteries due to deep discharge possibility so I wouldn't have to worry so much. Unfortunately the only AGM I've found that fits is Optima YellowTop YT R 2.7J 38Ah (Model no. 8072-176 / EAN 4016987113622):
uk.optimabatteries.com/en-gb/products/yellowtop/detail/yt-r-27/

I wish there were some good quality cut-off systems:
priuschat.com/threads/12v-battery-low-vo...o-disconnect.132609/
or Lithium batteries with BMS available.
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