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Quaife ATB differential

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08 Aug 2018 16:20 #194916 by sniper
I've run ATB diff's in mini's and rwd escorts so I didn't need much encouragement to buy one when I saw that they were available for the jimny.

£774 inc. from jimnybits, expensive but a quality piece of kit and English made, arrived in two days.

It took quite some time to find the right workshop to fit the diff but in the end I settled on M & T Transmissions in Sheffield. They stripped the half shafts out, pulled the diff , rebuilt it with the ATB unit and reassembled the axle. All bearings were inspected and found to be in very good condition so they were all re-used. They quoted somewhere between £200 and £300 so I was expecting anywhere up to £500 with new bearings and so on.

£200 + vat was the invoice amount so very pleased, its not often that a bill ends up at the bottom of an estimated amount these days.......

Power felt different straight away, hard straight line acceleration see's the car squat squarely and power feels to be pushing you squarely also. The second noticeable thing was the even drag when braking, torque is evenly split across the axle even when decelerating or braking. T junctions are a blast if you want them to be, I'm yet to try in the wet....

Off road over gravel and stone, it was fantastic, made some climbs that impressed me and was just generally sure footed. I forgot to engage 4x4 on one climb and it blitzed up in rwd. You can feel grip change from wheel to wheel when abusing it but there is always some grip.

I did find it's Achilles heel when I got a rear wheel raised, it just spins with no drive to the other wheel. A quick rethink on the line I was taking and it easily coped. It's main problem is that it copes so well you forget what it is and just keep going until it reminds you, it did so without drama. I can imagine where it might not make it off road but I can't see me in that position too often, not in a road biased car.

These diffs alter so much that it's hard to quantify, acceleration, braking, even balance have all been changed for the better. The way the car tightens it's line in a corner when power is applied, instead of pushing wide, it is like a miracle cure for understeer.

The best thing is that it is fit and forget, no rebuilds and a lifetime warranty. No more servicing than the standard set up.

Yet again Quaife have lived up to my expectations, top stuff.

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09 Aug 2018 04:10 #194926 by Lambert
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It's on my list, just taking a while to gather the funds!

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09 Aug 2018 06:17 #194929 by yakuza
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Had to google this to find out what this about, sure triggered my curiosity.

For anyone else: This is a LSD, a Limited Slip Differensial.
Works by reducing how much the "loose" wheel can spin with gears inside the diff so you will retain some grip on both wheels offroading.
Automatic Torque Biasing differentials are not to be confused with older design LSD's that works (for a while) with clutches.

The gear forces inside the ATB and similar diffs will with the help of the helical gear wheel torque, limit how much the rpm and force on each wheel can differ.
Simply said the design gets more of the torque from the drive shaft to spin both wheels rather than letting the diff direct most torque to the wheel with the least grip.
But when one wheel is in the air, there will not be enough torque inside the diff to limit the slip anymore, and the wheel will spin.

Other similar design is the True trac and the Thorsen differentials.

I have not found out what system is in the 2019 Jimny, but looking at the offroad videos it must be something like this..

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09 Aug 2018 06:40 #194930 by Gadget
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System on the new Jimny doesn't use a mechanical diff, it uses the cars ABS system to intermittently brake the spinning wheel to shift traction back to the other side.

For an off-road application, wouldn't a full locking diff like an ARB be more suitable than the Quaife?

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09 Aug 2018 07:54 #194933 by yakuza
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Gadget wrote: System on the new Jimny doesn't use a mechanical diff, it uses the cars ABS system to intermittently brake the spinning wheel to shift traction back to the other side.

For an off-road application, wouldn't a full locking diff like an ARB be more suitable than the Quaife?

Oh.. so that's what it is.. Looks like it works well from the Jimny videos.
An ARB would be better off road of course but will not help your everyday driving experience like a LSD. If you are driving a lot on snowy roads, muddy roads and light offroad the LSD is just there and helps without making a fuzz. The LSD will not need wiring, hoses or a compressor.
The LSD will not help you beyond full flex like the ARB though.

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09 Aug 2018 08:18 #194935 by Lambert
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The thing with a helical diff like the Quaife is that if you get a wheel in the air then a gentle application of the hand brake will provide enough resistance in the suspended wheel to send torque to the other wheel. Not that you can't do that with an open diff but the effect is greater with a Quaife.

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