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Thoughts on the new Ineos Grenadier?

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01 Jul 2020 20:57 #224362 by HUN
I like the look but that's it..

I cannot believe in the 2020 they've chosen an internal combustion engine (on top of that one of BMWs!) instead of an electric one!
They are aiming for an easy repair? With the latest technology? With an auto gearbox? With tonnes of sensors and gadgets?

It should have galvanised chassiss, aluminium body with simple riveted panels for start. And a sealed electric motor without any clutch or gearbox. No more oil, oil seal, coolant, exhaust pipe, etc etc. would be nice. There is a chance it will follow the path of gen4 Jimny.. Keep it simple and reliable.

TrailMaster 2" lift kit
Full floating rear axle conversion, JB underbody guards & recovery points
ORE transfer box HD brackets
T-Max split charge system
X-Shock Dakar ceramic clutch kit & roof rack
Flo-Flex castor polybushes
Kumho KL71 tyres
AVM manual hubs
ORA radius arm guards
Push-fit breathers

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01 Jul 2020 20:58 #224363 by 300bhpton

Busta wrote: I think they have the right idea and it potentially could do very well as long as they keep it practical. They shouldn't have any problems trumping the old Defender for comfort, build quality and reliability.
But the price will be too steep for many business users. Working spec Defenders were competitively priced. We paid £18k+vat for a new Defender in 2015.


Trouble is. There isn’t anything on the market for that kind of money these days. A quad cab 4wd Ranger or Hilux will start at around £27k for a base model. Go up a spec or two and they are all £32-36k before options these days.

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01 Jul 2020 22:26 #224368 by Foxtrot
I like it, they will be offering different body version's. A short wheel base would be good. I believe Ineos wanted to make the old Defender under license but LR refused to accommodate them so they made their own version.

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01 Jul 2020 22:54 #224370 by Busta

300bhpton wrote:

Busta wrote: I think they have the right idea and it potentially could do very well as long as they keep it practical. They shouldn't have any problems trumping the old Defender for comfort, build quality and reliability.
But the price will be too steep for many business users. Working spec Defenders were competitively priced. We paid £18k+vat for a new Defender in 2015.


Trouble is. There isn’t anything on the market for that kind of money these days. A quad cab 4wd Ranger or Hilux will start at around £27k for a base model. Go up a spec or two and they are all £32-36k before options these days.


A quick look at new cars on Autotrader brings up 4wd doublecab D-Max and Navarras for £19k, Rangers for £21k, Hiluxs for £25k.

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01 Jul 2020 22:59 #224371 by Busta

HUN wrote: I like the look but that's it..

I cannot believe in the 2020 they've chosen an internal combustion engine (on top of that one of BMWs!) instead of an electric one!
They are aiming for an easy repair? With the latest technology? With an auto gearbox? With tonnes of sensors and gadgets?

It should have galvanised chassiss, aluminium body with simple riveted panels for start. And a sealed electric motor without any clutch or gearbox. No more oil, oil seal, coolant, exhaust pipe, etc etc. would be nice. There is a chance it will follow the path of gen4 Jimny.. Keep it simple and reliable.


But what kind of range will you get towing a mini digger or a load of cattle? Electric vehicles are still, in the main part, a lifestyle choice. They don't cut it in industry. Work vehicles need to keep working all day long.

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02 Jul 2020 04:09 - 02 Jul 2020 04:15 #224374 by Lambert
This ^^^^. An ev Jimny would make much sense for me as I don't generally go that far day to day so a 200 mile range would be fine. However an ev tow car that might manage 300 miles solo but with a 3500kg trailer on the back might only manage 75 to 100 miles an attracts a high purchase price because of its gree credentials is a complete non starter for me. Only being able to do one or one and a half trips before a full recharge just wouldn't cut it. The future is definitely ev but we're not there yet, not even close.

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