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Re:Leaf spring shackle
10 Jun 2023 13:13 #249491
by mlines
Martin
2003 M13 early KAP build.
3" Trailmaster lift with 1.5 Spacers on front
Customised winch bumper and roll cage
235/85R16 Maxxis Bighorns on 16" Rims, 4:1 Rocklobster, Rear ARB locker and on-board air
Corrected arms all-round, rear disks, Recaro seats and harnesses
Leaf spring shackle was created by mlines
Before I get too aggressive with it, can I just check...
Leaf spring front shackles, I cannot get them removed. The bolt, which I assume is held "captive" by having a square shaft at the head end, will not come out when the bolt is undone.
I assume that there is some sort of sleeve inside the bush and the bolt has become cold welded to it over the years and probably needs cutting out???
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Leaf spring front shackles, I cannot get them removed. The bolt, which I assume is held "captive" by having a square shaft at the head end, will not come out when the bolt is undone.
I assume that there is some sort of sleeve inside the bush and the bolt has become cold welded to it over the years and probably needs cutting out???
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Martin
2003 M13 early KAP build.
3" Trailmaster lift with 1.5 Spacers on front
Customised winch bumper and roll cage
235/85R16 Maxxis Bighorns on 16" Rims, 4:1 Rocklobster, Rear ARB locker and on-board air
Corrected arms all-round, rear disks, Recaro seats and harnesses
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10 Jun 2023 13:34 #249492
by mlines
Martin
2003 M13 early KAP build.
3" Trailmaster lift with 1.5 Spacers on front
Customised winch bumper and roll cage
235/85R16 Maxxis Bighorns on 16" Rims, 4:1 Rocklobster, Rear ARB locker and on-board air
Corrected arms all-round, rear disks, Recaro seats and harnesses
Replied by mlines on topic Re:Leaf spring shackle
Thanks to some input elsewhere, was told it is an integrated plate. Once I knew that, it's easy!
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Martin
2003 M13 early KAP build.
3" Trailmaster lift with 1.5 Spacers on front
Customised winch bumper and roll cage
235/85R16 Maxxis Bighorns on 16" Rims, 4:1 Rocklobster, Rear ARB locker and on-board air
Corrected arms all-round, rear disks, Recaro seats and harnesses
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16 Jun 2023 12:13 - 16 Jun 2023 12:14 #249536
by yakuza
Norway 2005 Jimny M16A VVT, 235 BFG MT, 2" Trailmaster, ARB rear lck, 17%/87% high/low gears.
Replied by yakuza on topic Re:Leaf spring shackle
Yes it is.
The bolts have a press fit spline to one of the shackle plates.
When the bushings get really worn out, the bolts can come loose eventually.
Sorry for not seeing this post before
On the same note, since i have had some experience with the aftermarket shackles, beware that the longer ones will make your springs sag faster from bending further than they can cope with. And some of them do not go so good together with the shackles stops making the springs bend further and even faster sagging.
i have also bad experience with the poly bushings that when driven thru dirt and sand wear out very fast. and on this car the softer rubber works better anyways in my opinion.
But for your project Martin original will do of course
The bolts have a press fit spline to one of the shackle plates.
When the bushings get really worn out, the bolts can come loose eventually.
Sorry for not seeing this post before
On the same note, since i have had some experience with the aftermarket shackles, beware that the longer ones will make your springs sag faster from bending further than they can cope with. And some of them do not go so good together with the shackles stops making the springs bend further and even faster sagging.
i have also bad experience with the poly bushings that when driven thru dirt and sand wear out very fast. and on this car the softer rubber works better anyways in my opinion.
But for your project Martin original will do of course
Norway 2005 Jimny M16A VVT, 235 BFG MT, 2" Trailmaster, ARB rear lck, 17%/87% high/low gears.
Last edit: 16 Jun 2023 12:14 by yakuza.
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16 Jun 2023 13:24 #249537
by mlines
Martin
2003 M13 early KAP build.
3" Trailmaster lift with 1.5 Spacers on front
Customised winch bumper and roll cage
235/85R16 Maxxis Bighorns on 16" Rims, 4:1 Rocklobster, Rear ARB locker and on-board air
Corrected arms all-round, rear disks, Recaro seats and harnesses
Replied by mlines on topic Re:Leaf spring shackle
I have never liked polybushes, for a lightweight Jimny I feel they are too hard and do not compress so the ride is rough. My Jimny is on original spec rubber and the SJ will be on genuine rubber. The only concession on the SJ are the bushes inside the ends of the anti roll bar. These are integral and not normally available as a separate part so I have had to go with aftermarket polybush versions
Martin
2003 M13 early KAP build.
3" Trailmaster lift with 1.5 Spacers on front
Customised winch bumper and roll cage
235/85R16 Maxxis Bighorns on 16" Rims, 4:1 Rocklobster, Rear ARB locker and on-board air
Corrected arms all-round, rear disks, Recaro seats and harnesses
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19 Jun 2023 17:27 #249560
by Roger Fairclough
Replied by Roger Fairclough on topic Re:Leaf spring shackle
I dismantled the springs on my SJ, linished the contact points and re-assembled them with copious amounts of a waterproof grease. I then wrapped the springs with lengths of inner tube, 2" wide cut from lorry inner tubes. The rubber is held together with electrical tape, just wrapped around the whole lot. The effect of smoother running and improved articulation is very noticeable and, in my opinion, well worth the effort. High end pre war cars used to supply leather gaiters to do the same thing.
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19 Jun 2023 21:32 #249561
by yakuza
Norway 2005 Jimny M16A VVT, 235 BFG MT, 2" Trailmaster, ARB rear lck, 17%/87% high/low gears.
Replied by yakuza on topic Re:Leaf spring shackle
On my SJ the springs have worn a ridge inbetween them that made this nice grinding noise and at full turn also a large knock when they slipped over. The noise fit right in with all the other rattles making a concert almost, but this knock was a bit too loud so light greased now to tone it down.
I am actually not kidding now.
I am actually not kidding now.
Norway 2005 Jimny M16A VVT, 235 BFG MT, 2" Trailmaster, ARB rear lck, 17%/87% high/low gears.
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21 Jun 2023 09:37 #249570
by lesgrandepotato
Replied by lesgrandepotato on topic Re:Leaf spring shackle
Apparently the OME springs are built with graphite pads to help them slide. We’ll see!
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21 Jun 2023 16:12 #249581
by Roger Fairclough
Replied by Roger Fairclough on topic Re:Leaf spring shackle
From memory, I fitted Rancho plus 50mm springs and they had nylon pads but green lane runs and RTV trials would quickly pack the leaves with mud and you were back to square one. My idea to wrap the springs worked well and would last 12-18 months before the need to do it again but that included a lot of mud work.
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