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Finally! But some questions...
20 Aug 2022 18:25 #244656
by fordem
I see these are listed as compatible with the Gen 3 Jimny - anyone tried them? My interest is specific to the negative switching that Suzuki uses which has been known to cause problems with LED retrofits.
Replied by fordem on topic Finally! But some questions...
Hello an welcome to the forum.
At least in the EU there are now street legal LED headlight bulbs for the Gen3.
www.osram.de/am/night-breaker-led/index....=/night-breaker-led/
I see these are listed as compatible with the Gen 3 Jimny - anyone tried them? My interest is specific to the negative switching that Suzuki uses which has been known to cause problems with LED retrofits.
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22 Aug 2022 18:09 #244691
by RainerK
Replied by RainerK on topic Finally! But some questions...
I did not try them but some from some other forum and I did not read of any problems so far. However these LEDs are quite recent, so there might not be any long term experiences yet.
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22 Aug 2022 21:22 - 22 Aug 2022 21:22 #244692
by DrRobin
2020 blue SZ5 (one of the last to be registered in the UK)
Ex 2011 Blue Jimny SZ4
Northumberland Jimny Blog
Replied by DrRobin on topic Finally! But some questions...
I can’t see what the problem might be in switching the negative? I have been designing electronic control modules for about 40 years, it’s very common to switch the negative side, in fact I can’t remember the last time I saw a switch 8n the positive side.
The LED clearly needs to be the right way up, but beyond that the only thing I can see killing it is ripple or over voltage.
Robin
The LED clearly needs to be the right way up, but beyond that the only thing I can see killing it is ripple or over voltage.
Robin
2020 blue SZ5 (one of the last to be registered in the UK)
Ex 2011 Blue Jimny SZ4
Northumberland Jimny Blog
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22 Aug 2022 23:03 #244693
by fordem
The H4 version of the lamp will contain two diode arrays, one for high beam, the other for low beam, and the same three terminals, so either the anodes will have to be connected together and the cathodes separate, or the cathodes connected together and the anodes separate.
In a conventional automotive environment, for example the park/side lights on a Jimny, the positive supply side is switched, and the negative side is connected to the chassis.
On many cars, the headlights are conventionally switched, so that common terminal in the bulb is grounded and the positive supply switched to the high beam or low beam terminal as required - on a Jimny, and every other Suzuki I've looked at, the headlights have been negative switched, with the positive supply connected to the common terminal in the bulb, and a ground applied to the high beam or low beam terminal.
Because diodes (LEDs included) are polarity sensitive, not all LED lamps work in a negative switched headlight system,
By the way, over current is what kills LEDs - over current & over heating. My first exposure to LEDs was in the late 70's when red was the only color available, and all they were good for was panel indicators and seven segment calculator displays.
Replied by fordem on topic Finally! But some questions...
An H4 incandescent lamp has two filaments, one for high beam, the other for low beam - and three terminals - high beam, low beam & commonI can’t see what the problem might be in switching the negative?
The H4 version of the lamp will contain two diode arrays, one for high beam, the other for low beam, and the same three terminals, so either the anodes will have to be connected together and the cathodes separate, or the cathodes connected together and the anodes separate.
In a conventional automotive environment, for example the park/side lights on a Jimny, the positive supply side is switched, and the negative side is connected to the chassis.
On many cars, the headlights are conventionally switched, so that common terminal in the bulb is grounded and the positive supply switched to the high beam or low beam terminal as required - on a Jimny, and every other Suzuki I've looked at, the headlights have been negative switched, with the positive supply connected to the common terminal in the bulb, and a ground applied to the high beam or low beam terminal.
Because diodes (LEDs included) are polarity sensitive, not all LED lamps work in a negative switched headlight system,
By the way, over current is what kills LEDs - over current & over heating. My first exposure to LEDs was in the late 70's when red was the only color available, and all they were good for was panel indicators and seven segment calculator displays.
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23 Aug 2022 08:17 #244695
by DrRobin
2020 blue SZ5 (one of the last to be registered in the UK)
Ex 2011 Blue Jimny SZ4
Northumberland Jimny Blog
Replied by DrRobin on topic Finally! But some questions...
Whilst I agree with you 100%, the new generation of LED H4 headlamp bulbs appear to be non-polarised, I guess the LED chip driver is a full bridge circuit and it doesn't matter which way they are connected.
If it was polarity sensitive then a LED for a negative common [terminal] just wouldn't work in the Jimny with positive common.
If it was polarity sensitive then a LED for a negative common [terminal] just wouldn't work in the Jimny with positive common.
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23 Aug 2022 09:05 #244696
by Lambert
Temeraire (2018 quasar grey automatic)
One of the last 200ish of the gen3s, probably.
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Replied by Lambert on topic Finally! But some questions...
I thought that ther was a prohibition against fitting an led element into a lamp unit not specifically designed for such a thing.
Temeraire (2018 quasar grey automatic)
One of the last 200ish of the gen3s, probably.
ADOS Attention Deficit Ooooh Shiny!
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