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20 Aug 2022 18:25 #244656 by fordem

Hello an welcome to the forum.

At least in the EU there are now street legal LED headlight bulbs for the Gen3.

www.osram.de/am/night-breaker-led/index....=/night-breaker-led/

I see these are listed as compatible with the Gen 3 Jimny - anyone tried them?  My interest is specific to the negative switching that Suzuki uses which has been known to cause problems with LED retrofits.

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22 Aug 2022 18:09 #244691 by RainerK
I did not try them but some from some other forum and I did not read of any problems so far. However these LEDs are quite recent, so there might not be any long term experiences yet.

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22 Aug 2022 21:22 - 22 Aug 2022 21:22 #244692 by DrRobin
I can’t see what the problem might be in switching the negative? I have been designing electronic control modules for about 40 years, it’s very common to switch the negative side, in fact I can’t remember the last time I saw a switch 8n the positive side.

The LED clearly needs to be the right way up, but beyond that the only thing I can see killing it is ripple or over voltage.

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22 Aug 2022 23:03 #244693 by fordem

I can’t see what the problem might be in switching the negative? 
 
An H4 incandescent lamp has two filaments, one for high beam, the other for low beam - and three terminals - high beam, low beam & common
The H4 version of the lamp will contain two diode arrays, one for high beam, the other for low beam, and the same three terminals, so either the anodes will have to be connected together and the cathodes separate, or the cathodes connected together and the anodes separate.

In a conventional automotive environment, for example the park/side lights on a Jimny, the positive supply side is switched, and the negative side is connected to the chassis.

On many cars, the headlights are conventionally switched, so that common terminal in the bulb is grounded and the positive supply switched to the high beam or low beam terminal as required - on a Jimny, and every other Suzuki I've looked at, the headlights have been negative switched, with the positive supply connected to the common terminal in the bulb, and a ground applied to the high beam or low beam terminal.

Because diodes (LEDs included) are polarity sensitive, not all LED lamps work in a negative switched headlight system, 

By the way, over current is what kills LEDs - over current & over heating.  My first exposure to LEDs was in the late 70's when red was the only color available, and all they were good for was panel indicators and seven segment calculator displays.

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23 Aug 2022 08:17 #244695 by DrRobin
Whilst I agree with you 100%, the new generation of LED H4 headlamp bulbs appear to be non-polarised, I guess the LED chip driver is a full bridge circuit and it doesn't matter which way they are connected.

If it was polarity sensitive then a LED for a negative common [terminal] just wouldn't work in the Jimny with positive common.

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23 Aug 2022 09:05 #244696 by Lambert
I thought that ther was a prohibition against fitting an led element into a lamp unit not specifically designed for such a thing.

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