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Front Axle Compatibility
18 Jun 2020 11:40 #223696
by Bilko2
Front Axle Compatibility was created by Bilko2
Hi,
After the last MOT the Jimny failed on the transfer box mounts being snapped, these were replaced a local "mechanic" but when I next went to engage 4wd there was no drive to the front wheels, obviously he just fitted the brackets but didn't bother to test the 4wd. Having little confidence in his workmanship I took the Jimny to my local reputable garage who have informed me that the front axle is the issue & needs replacement.
I have managed to source one from a local breakers but it is fitted to a 2002 Soft top manual with the G13BB engine. My car is a 2001 hardtop manual with the M13A engine. Would the soft top front axle be a suitable replacement?
Secondly the breaker seemed pretty honest and did state that there was some scoring to one of the ball sockets, the ball sockets on mine are in good condition would it be much of a job to change these over?
Thanks
After the last MOT the Jimny failed on the transfer box mounts being snapped, these were replaced a local "mechanic" but when I next went to engage 4wd there was no drive to the front wheels, obviously he just fitted the brackets but didn't bother to test the 4wd. Having little confidence in his workmanship I took the Jimny to my local reputable garage who have informed me that the front axle is the issue & needs replacement.
I have managed to source one from a local breakers but it is fitted to a 2002 Soft top manual with the G13BB engine. My car is a 2001 hardtop manual with the M13A engine. Would the soft top front axle be a suitable replacement?
Secondly the breaker seemed pretty honest and did state that there was some scoring to one of the ball sockets, the ball sockets on mine are in good condition would it be much of a job to change these over?
Thanks
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18 Jun 2020 12:12 - 18 Jun 2020 12:16 #223697
by Busta
Replied by Busta on topic Front Axle Compatibility
It is very unusual to need to replace the whole axle unless it is bent.
You need to find out exactly what is wrong. It's common for the transfer box mounts to break and this should not affect the operation of 4wd. The reasons for 4wd not working are usually the front hubs not engaging (due to broken hoses or a failed wheel bearing) or a broken CV joint. Both are simple and easy to fix without needing to replace the axle.
Unless you have ABS, the axle from the soft top is compatible with your car. The swivels are not replaceable but scoring and pitting is not a serious concern as, unlike some 4x4s, they are not oil filled and therefore do not need a perfect seal. But as I said, it is very unlikely that replacing the whole axle is necessary.
You need to find out exactly what is wrong. It's common for the transfer box mounts to break and this should not affect the operation of 4wd. The reasons for 4wd not working are usually the front hubs not engaging (due to broken hoses or a failed wheel bearing) or a broken CV joint. Both are simple and easy to fix without needing to replace the axle.
Unless you have ABS, the axle from the soft top is compatible with your car. The swivels are not replaceable but scoring and pitting is not a serious concern as, unlike some 4x4s, they are not oil filled and therefore do not need a perfect seal. But as I said, it is very unlikely that replacing the whole axle is necessary.
Last edit: 18 Jun 2020 12:16 by Busta.
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18 Jun 2020 12:19 - 18 Jun 2020 12:21 #223698
by Scimike
Yokohama Geolanders, Sony head unit, NAUTILUS Air Horn, DRL conversion, Rear cargo space, Elvis Bobblehead, transfer Guard, Indian hanging Elephant, Koni Heavy track dampers, Custom SS exhaust, Voodoo Doll, Adventure Rack with LED ight bar, vintage ERIBA caravan usually attached (yes it's slow)
Replied by Scimike on topic Front Axle Compatibility
Edit. Busta types faster than me, but we are saying the same thing.
Hi Bilko2,
I can't help you with axle compatibility, but can confirm you can't change the ball sockets (Swivels) as they are welded to the axle. They are not like Land Rover swivels that can be changed, the scoring may also not be an issue as they don't hold oil.
That said I am confused about the route to the decision to change the axle, have the garage told you why it's not working?
Assuming the 4x4 system worked before you had the transfer mounts changed, I can't see how this has caused the axle to fail. Usually the 4x4 system on the axle fails due to rusty vacuum pipes or issues with the hub, usually it's a rust / age related issue. Swapping to a similar age axle may / may not fix the issue unless the vendor can confirm it was working before it was removed. As you are supplying the parts the garage will just charge you for the work even if your "new" axle is faulty, so I am just concerned it may just empty your pockets of cash and not fix the problem.
Mike
Hi Bilko2,
I can't help you with axle compatibility, but can confirm you can't change the ball sockets (Swivels) as they are welded to the axle. They are not like Land Rover swivels that can be changed, the scoring may also not be an issue as they don't hold oil.
That said I am confused about the route to the decision to change the axle, have the garage told you why it's not working?
Assuming the 4x4 system worked before you had the transfer mounts changed, I can't see how this has caused the axle to fail. Usually the 4x4 system on the axle fails due to rusty vacuum pipes or issues with the hub, usually it's a rust / age related issue. Swapping to a similar age axle may / may not fix the issue unless the vendor can confirm it was working before it was removed. As you are supplying the parts the garage will just charge you for the work even if your "new" axle is faulty, so I am just concerned it may just empty your pockets of cash and not fix the problem.
Mike
Yokohama Geolanders, Sony head unit, NAUTILUS Air Horn, DRL conversion, Rear cargo space, Elvis Bobblehead, transfer Guard, Indian hanging Elephant, Koni Heavy track dampers, Custom SS exhaust, Voodoo Doll, Adventure Rack with LED ight bar, vintage ERIBA caravan usually attached (yes it's slow)
Last edit: 18 Jun 2020 12:21 by Scimike.
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18 Jun 2020 12:43 - 18 Jun 2020 12:44 #223700
by X8GGY
Replied by X8GGY on topic Front Axle Compatibility
My first guess would be that the first spanner monkey has disturbed / not reconnected the plug / cable from the 4x4 switch on the transfer box?!... whilst changing the transfer box brackets...
Without that connection the vehicles computer won’t connect the front hubs via the vacuum system mentioned above...
Without that connection the vehicles computer won’t connect the front hubs via the vacuum system mentioned above...
Last edit: 18 Jun 2020 12:44 by X8GGY.
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18 Jun 2020 13:21 #223703
by Bilko2
Replied by Bilko2 on topic Front Axle Compatibility
Thanks for getting back to me so quickly gents, very much appreciated.
I'll have a chat with the garage and ask them to run through;
- Vacuum hoses condition/sealing preventing the hubs engaging
- CV joints are intact
- 4x4 switch connection to transfer box, although mine is the model where you engage using the small lever behind the gear stick there must be some linkage worth checking over
The garage did say that the front wheel bearings are u/s so it may be as simple changing those. On further inspection the 1st spanner monkey (very apt incidentally, I only used to use him because he had a good reputation for working on LR stuff) did not change both the transfer box mounting brackets but only the larger one and I imagine the smaller one went in a skip.So I'll have to source 1 of those, change the wheel bearings, go through the checks above and let you know the outcome.
Thanks for the advice about possibly changing bad for worse Scimike, was a little reluctant to take that step into the unknown and would rather have refurbished my existing front axle.
Kind regards
I'll have a chat with the garage and ask them to run through;
- Vacuum hoses condition/sealing preventing the hubs engaging
- CV joints are intact
- 4x4 switch connection to transfer box, although mine is the model where you engage using the small lever behind the gear stick there must be some linkage worth checking over
The garage did say that the front wheel bearings are u/s so it may be as simple changing those. On further inspection the 1st spanner monkey (very apt incidentally, I only used to use him because he had a good reputation for working on LR stuff) did not change both the transfer box mounting brackets but only the larger one and I imagine the smaller one went in a skip.So I'll have to source 1 of those, change the wheel bearings, go through the checks above and let you know the outcome.
Thanks for the advice about possibly changing bad for worse Scimike, was a little reluctant to take that step into the unknown and would rather have refurbished my existing front axle.
Kind regards
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18 Jun 2020 17:58 #223713
by Busta
Replied by Busta on topic Front Axle Compatibility
If your wheel bearings are gone definitely fix them before spending any time fault finding the 4wd issue! It's very likely to be the cause.
There isn't a linkage on the transfer case, the stick goes straight into the box. The engagement in the transfer box itself is very reliable so you can pretty much rule that out.
There isn't a linkage on the transfer case, the stick goes straight into the box. The engagement in the transfer box itself is very reliable so you can pretty much rule that out.
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