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Replacing Jimny Kingpin Bearings
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25 Apr 2011 19:12 #15500
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I have bought the bits (4 bearings & 2 seals) and studied a couple of HOW TOs on the forums.
The only thing left I can think of that might give me a problem is access to the 4 bolts holding the bearing hub to the steering knuckle.
My 2004 Jimny has both the vacuum operated hubs and ABS rotors & sensors.
I was hoping to avoid dismantling the bearing hub as that would require buying the pin tool to undo the circular bearing retaining nut (160 ft-lbf trque) as is indicated in the Suzuki Jimny workshop manual.
Using a flat style ring spanner will I be able to get at the 4 bolts behind the ABS rotor without having to dismantling / removing the bearing hub parts first?
thanks in advance for any advice you can give.
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The only thing left I can think of that might give me a problem is access to the 4 bolts holding the bearing hub to the steering knuckle.
My 2004 Jimny has both the vacuum operated hubs and ABS rotors & sensors.
I was hoping to avoid dismantling the bearing hub as that would require buying the pin tool to undo the circular bearing retaining nut (160 ft-lbf trque) as is indicated in the Suzuki Jimny workshop manual.
Using a flat style ring spanner will I be able to get at the 4 bolts behind the ABS rotor without having to dismantling / removing the bearing hub parts first?
thanks in advance for any advice you can give.
overthetop:ohmy:
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26 Apr 2011 06:16 - 26 Apr 2011 06:17 #15511
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2003 M13 early KAP build.
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Customised winch bumper and roll cage
235/85R16 Maxxis Bighorns on 16" Rims, 4:1 Rocklobster, Rear ARB locker and on-board air
Corrected arms all-round, rear disks, Recaro seats and harnesses
Replied by mlines on topic Re: Replacing Jimny Kingpin Bearings
In simple terms, yes you can. The Special Tool is ONLY required when you need access to the wheel bearing itself.
The original guide I wrote was in the early days of my Jimny ownership and I followed the process in the Suzuki manual. Therefore this shows an additional level of work that is not required in practice. However, you mention an ABS Rotor, I have not done this on an ABS vehicel before and cannot say for certain exactly what requires doing. It could be that the rotor prevents stuff being pulled forward.
Martin
The original guide I wrote was in the early days of my Jimny ownership and I followed the process in the Suzuki manual. Therefore this shows an additional level of work that is not required in practice. However, you mention an ABS Rotor, I have not done this on an ABS vehicel before and cannot say for certain exactly what requires doing. It could be that the rotor prevents stuff being pulled forward.
Martin
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2003 M13 early KAP build.
3" Trailmaster lift with 1.5 Spacers on front
Customised winch bumper and roll cage
235/85R16 Maxxis Bighorns on 16" Rims, 4:1 Rocklobster, Rear ARB locker and on-board air
Corrected arms all-round, rear disks, Recaro seats and harnesses
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26 Apr 2011 12:52 #15522
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mlines,
I replaced the brake discs and pads the other month and unfortunately I didn't take too much interest in the kingpins (as I should have!) or the ABS rotors although I did see them. As in the Suzuki workshop manual, it appears the ABS rotor is directly behind the wheel stud flange, pressed onto the wheel bearing hub. From what I remember, the rotor is about 12 mm wide although its diameter varies depending on which view you look at in the workshop manual!
The question is, is there enough space between the rotor and the 4 bolts holding the bearing stub axle housing to the steering knuckle to undo the bolts. Basically it is the same gap as you would have had less approx 16 mm.
Next point of interest is that my Suzuki dealer (where I bought the seals) implied he would hire me the wheel bearing locknut tool although I still hope not to have to dismantle the wheel bearings.
Another forum member reckons he changed his kingpins by only removing the knuckle seal and the two kingpins before pulling forward the whole lot including the half shaft! It looks technically possible although that is quite a lot of weight! I assumed he had the sense to remove the brake disc first.
Not sure if he had the option of leaving the half shaft for withdrawal later as I have found splined shafts in these situations stuck firmly in their hubs on other cars.
It must have been a pain to guide it all back in on reassembly.
Brian
I replaced the brake discs and pads the other month and unfortunately I didn't take too much interest in the kingpins (as I should have!) or the ABS rotors although I did see them. As in the Suzuki workshop manual, it appears the ABS rotor is directly behind the wheel stud flange, pressed onto the wheel bearing hub. From what I remember, the rotor is about 12 mm wide although its diameter varies depending on which view you look at in the workshop manual!
The question is, is there enough space between the rotor and the 4 bolts holding the bearing stub axle housing to the steering knuckle to undo the bolts. Basically it is the same gap as you would have had less approx 16 mm.
Next point of interest is that my Suzuki dealer (where I bought the seals) implied he would hire me the wheel bearing locknut tool although I still hope not to have to dismantle the wheel bearings.
Another forum member reckons he changed his kingpins by only removing the knuckle seal and the two kingpins before pulling forward the whole lot including the half shaft! It looks technically possible although that is quite a lot of weight! I assumed he had the sense to remove the brake disc first.
Not sure if he had the option of leaving the half shaft for withdrawal later as I have found splined shafts in these situations stuck firmly in their hubs on other cars.
It must have been a pain to guide it all back in on reassembly.
Brian
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26 Apr 2011 17:54 #15531
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If it suddenly breaks, go back to the last thing that you did before it broke and start looking there
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Just pull the kingpins out and snatch the whole hub assembly off. I've done Landrovers that way, and I pulled the whole ball housing, driveshaft, CV brake disk etc. off the rangerover as one lump to change the large swivel seal. They go back no problem, just wear rubber gloves so you don't get axle oil on your hands, use the left hand to wiggle the halfshaft and the right to support the housing which you balance on your thigh and just push.
remember to keep that side jacked up :whistle:
Take a wheel off and have a look at what you have to do. If you want to leave it a few months I will pull mine off in the summer hols and regrease everything, I'll take some photos then.
remember to keep that side jacked up :whistle:
Take a wheel off and have a look at what you have to do. If you want to leave it a few months I will pull mine off in the summer hols and regrease everything, I'll take some photos then.
If it suddenly breaks, go back to the last thing that you did before it broke and start looking there

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26 Apr 2011 18:48 - 26 Apr 2011 18:50 #15537
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There is absolutley no need to take the entire hub apart on ABS models
I changed my king pin bearings ( 2006 VVt with ABS ) a while back and only one of the 4 bolts is a bit awkward to get out oddly, the upper right as you look at the hub head on.
The bolt will go hard against the ABS ring with about one turn to go before being fully out, but if you line it up with one of the cut outs in the ring and rotate it back and forth a little there is just enough movement to get it out using an open ended spanner, it's a tight squeeze but it does come out. ( don't use the ring end of the spanner, not enough space and it jams. guess how I found that out :lol: ) Otherwise just follow Martins guide,it's spot on.
p.s. don't even try to take the ABS sensor out, all I managed to do was snap the bolt and the sensor was still totally solid in the hub but thats no different to any other car I've worked on. It WILL break if you force it ! There's more than enough length in the sensor wiring to get the hub out of the way, just remember to support it as its way to heavy for the sensor wiring to support.

The bolt will go hard against the ABS ring with about one turn to go before being fully out, but if you line it up with one of the cut outs in the ring and rotate it back and forth a little there is just enough movement to get it out using an open ended spanner, it's a tight squeeze but it does come out. ( don't use the ring end of the spanner, not enough space and it jams. guess how I found that out :lol: ) Otherwise just follow Martins guide,it's spot on.
p.s. don't even try to take the ABS sensor out, all I managed to do was snap the bolt and the sensor was still totally solid in the hub but thats no different to any other car I've worked on. It WILL break if you force it ! There's more than enough length in the sensor wiring to get the hub out of the way, just remember to support it as its way to heavy for the sensor wiring to support.
Last edit: 26 Apr 2011 18:50 by SPC5838. Reason: typo
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27 Apr 2011 05:29 #15542
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If I choose the option of not removing the ABS sensor and not unbolting the wheel spindle from the steering knuckle then I assume I would have to leave the half shaft behind because of limited length of the sensor wire?
If that is the case then by taking off the vacuum locking hub first and removing the circlip & washer it would allow the half shaft to stay behind. I could then pull out the half shaft as a separate item to give me full access to the replacing of the kingpin bearing outer rings.
Does that sound in/ practicable?
If that is the case then by taking off the vacuum locking hub first and removing the circlip & washer it would allow the half shaft to stay behind. I could then pull out the half shaft as a separate item to give me full access to the replacing of the kingpin bearing outer rings.
Does that sound in/ practicable?
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