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Jimny JLX JB43 2013 doesn't have ABS and airbags?
11 Oct 2023 03:42 - 11 Oct 2023 03:45 #251339
by crynof
Jimny JLX JB43 2013 doesn't have ABS and airbags? was created by crynof
Hello! I have a 2013 Jimny 1.3 JB43.It's the JLX model. According to the technical sheet I found online, it should have Airbags and ABS as safety features, but my Jimny doesn't have them. However, it does have other things like central locking and electric windows. I'm not sure if this is due to it being a more basic version or because of the year. What I found curious is that when I looked up my vehicle's VIN on the following website
www.vindecoderz.com/EN/Suzuki
, it indicates:
Among all these characteristics, some match, like the color and engine type, but others don't, such as the model (Samurai?), fuel type, and airbag, etc.
Why are there inconsistencies? Is this normal on this web pages?
Returning to the topic of Airbags and ABS, I checked, and it doesn't have them. Is it possible to add ABS?
Best Regards!
Among all these characteristics, some match, like the color and engine type, but others don't, such as the model (Samurai?), fuel type, and airbag, etc.
Why are there inconsistencies? Is this normal on this web pages?
Returning to the topic of Airbags and ABS, I checked, and it doesn't have them. Is it possible to add ABS?
Best Regards!
Last edit: 11 Oct 2023 03:45 by crynof.
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11 Oct 2023 04:49 #251341
by Lambert
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Replied by Lambert on topic Jimny JLX JB43 2013 doesn't have ABS and airbags?
You are calling it a jlx which suggests you are not in the UK? Easiest way to find out what it has is to look. Does the steering wheel have a large centre horn pad with the letters SRS on it? Under the bonnet on your right hand side above the inner wing is there a silver metal cube with many metal pipes going into and out of it. If you have then that's the air bag and the abs pump respectively.
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11 Oct 2023 06:10 - 11 Oct 2023 06:11 #251343
by rogerzilla
Replied by rogerzilla on topic Jimny JLX JB43 2013 doesn't have ABS and airbags?
I'm also guessing it's a non-Europe model, as ABS was mandatory in the EU from 2004.
The Jimny ABS is a slightly kludgey 3-channel system where both rear brakes receive the same hydraulic input, so it's best not to depend on it. Like all ABS, it is designed to maintain steering control during braking and will not stop you any sooner.
The Jimny ABS is a slightly kludgey 3-channel system where both rear brakes receive the same hydraulic input, so it's best not to depend on it. Like all ABS, it is designed to maintain steering control during braking and will not stop you any sooner.
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11 Oct 2023 08:01 - 11 Oct 2023 08:04 #251345
by facade
In an emergency you just stamp the brake pedal to the floor and hold it there*, and the ABS will continually modulate the brakes at the point of locking which will give the shortest stopping distance. (Also maintain steering control and stop the back end overtaking the front)
If you are a very experienced cool as a cucumber Total Driving God, then you can in ideal circumstances beat the ABS by just applying sufficient pressure to hold the wheels at the threshold of locking.
Which is something that most of us cannot reliably do, plus the ABS can use the back brakes fully, the non-ABS car will have the back brakes cut off prematurely by the load sensing valve, because the one thing you don't want is to lock the back before the front, and have the back end overtake the front.
*Most people's immediate panic reaction when they aren't stopping is to press harder, they have to think to lift up when they are staring death in the face. We don't do it very often, which is why most of us lack the skills to beat ABS
If it suddenly breaks, go back to the last thing that you did before it broke and start looking there
Replied by facade on topic Jimny JLX JB43 2013 doesn't have ABS and airbags?
I disagree.I'm also guessing it's a non-Europe model, as ABS was mandatory in the EU from 2004.
The Jimny ABS is a slightly kludgey 3-channel system where both rear brakes receive the same hydraulic input, so it's best not to depend on it. Like all ABS, it is designed to maintain steering control during braking and will not stop you any sooner.
In an emergency you just stamp the brake pedal to the floor and hold it there*, and the ABS will continually modulate the brakes at the point of locking which will give the shortest stopping distance. (Also maintain steering control and stop the back end overtaking the front)
If you are a very experienced cool as a cucumber Total Driving God, then you can in ideal circumstances beat the ABS by just applying sufficient pressure to hold the wheels at the threshold of locking.
Which is something that most of us cannot reliably do, plus the ABS can use the back brakes fully, the non-ABS car will have the back brakes cut off prematurely by the load sensing valve, because the one thing you don't want is to lock the back before the front, and have the back end overtake the front.
*Most people's immediate panic reaction when they aren't stopping is to press harder, they have to think to lift up when they are staring death in the face. We don't do it very often, which is why most of us lack the skills to beat ABS
If it suddenly breaks, go back to the last thing that you did before it broke and start looking there
Last edit: 11 Oct 2023 08:04 by facade.
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11 Oct 2023 08:24 #251347
by rogerzilla
Replied by rogerzilla on topic Jimny JLX JB43 2013 doesn't have ABS and airbags?
We're going off topic, but most people misunderstand the purpose of ABS. It can shorten stopping distances on some surfaces and lengthen it on others (it is unusually bad on snow or loose surfaces) but that isn't why it's there. It's so you don't have to brake hard in a straight line only.
In practice, when non-ABS cars were still commonplace, the ABS cars had more accidents. This was believed to be because drivers tailgated more, thinking ABS would save them. This was due to a fundamental misunderstanding of the feature.
The correct way to use ABS is to absolutely mash the brake pedal and to steer out of trouble if you can. AEB (on later Jimnys, I think) is a very useful addition to ABS as it senses a panic brake application and does the "mashing" for you. Most drivers don't brake as hard as they could in an emergency.
In practice, when non-ABS cars were still commonplace, the ABS cars had more accidents. This was believed to be because drivers tailgated more, thinking ABS would save them. This was due to a fundamental misunderstanding of the feature.
The correct way to use ABS is to absolutely mash the brake pedal and to steer out of trouble if you can. AEB (on later Jimnys, I think) is a very useful addition to ABS as it senses a panic brake application and does the "mashing" for you. Most drivers don't brake as hard as they could in an emergency.
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11 Oct 2023 08:27 #251348
by Scimike
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Replied by Scimike on topic Jimny JLX JB43 2013 doesn't have ABS and airbags?
I agree and disagree
Not all ABS systems are born equally, you can't assume that they will give you the shortest stopping distance, in some instances it can be longer. A lot depends on the speed of the system modulation, slow modulation increase the distance.
Its primary function is to allow control of the vehicle to be maintained, so the best way is to avoid it's altogether if you can.
Slightly academic on the Jimny, the brakes have natural ABS due to their lack luster performance .....
Happy stopping and just my opinion
Not all ABS systems are born equally, you can't assume that they will give you the shortest stopping distance, in some instances it can be longer. A lot depends on the speed of the system modulation, slow modulation increase the distance.
Its primary function is to allow control of the vehicle to be maintained, so the best way is to avoid it's altogether if you can.
Slightly academic on the Jimny, the brakes have natural ABS due to their lack luster performance .....
Happy stopping and just my opinion
Yokohama Geolanders, Sony head unit, NAUTILUS Air Horn, DRL conversion, Rear cargo space, Elvis Bobblehead, transfer Guard, Indian hanging Elephant, Koni Heavy track dampers, Custom SS exhaust, Voodoo Doll, Adventure Rack with LED ight bar, vintage ERIBA caravan usually attached (yes it's slow)
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11 Oct 2023 17:18 #251354
by Busta
Replied by Busta on topic Jimny JLX JB43 2013 doesn't have ABS and airbags?
I put the VIN of my 2008 into that site and it said it was an 2005 Alto/Baleno at the top, but then all the information in the build sheet table is correct. If something as obvious as fuel type is incorrect then that seems a bit fishy. I take it yours is the 1.5 diesel?
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12 Oct 2023 00:03 #251356
by crynof
Replied by crynof on topic Jimny JLX JB43 2013 doesn't have ABS and airbags?
Indeed, my version is JLX and it's not from the UK, but from LATAM (Chile specifically). I checked and it doesn't have the SRS acronym or anything on the right side of the engine. That's where my doubt arises, because in some guides, these elements are available in the JLX version. I assume it may be a more basic version.
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12 Oct 2023 00:21 #251357
by crynof
Replied by crynof on topic Jimny JLX JB43 2013 doesn't have ABS and airbags?
In my case it tells me it's a Samurai / Forenza, but like you, most of the data in the grid is correct except for the fuel type. I assume it's a similar error as the vehicle model, since I just checked the engine and chassis numbers and they match the VIN data.
Given this, the vehicle is legal, but I don't know the exact version it is and its accessories. I imagine that because it was manufactured for the Latin American market, it doesn't include some of the EURO safety features.
Given this, the vehicle is legal, but I don't know the exact version it is and its accessories. I imagine that because it was manufactured for the Latin American market, it doesn't include some of the EURO safety features.
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12 Oct 2023 00:26 - 12 Oct 2023 17:04 #251358
by crynof
Replied by crynof on topic Jimny JLX JB43 2013 doesn't have ABS and airbags?
Exactly, ABS beyond being a braking control accessory, its main function is to prevent loss of vehicle control as well as rollovers, not so much braking in less time, (although it can help). This is something that worries me about my Jimny and when I realized it doesn't have it I thought about adding it, but as I see it's not that simple, that's why given the basic technical characteristics that the JLX model should include, I wonder why it doesn't have this system.
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12 Oct 2023 03:30 #251360
by Lambert
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Replied by Lambert on topic Jimny JLX JB43 2013 doesn't have ABS and airbags?
I'm not fully up to speed on it but I think that in what is often called rest of world countries so not USA, Europe and Middle East much of the specification is an option that the first owner gets to choose, so even things like abs have to be selected and are charged for.
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12 Oct 2023 06:17 #251361
by Busta
Replied by Busta on topic Jimny JLX JB43 2013 doesn't have ABS and airbags?
Mine is a 2008 JLX that originally came from Bermuda and it doesn't have ABS. It was also missing a rear fog light and headlight level adjustment, which are standard features on all UK Jimnys, but those are easier to add.
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