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Zero emissions jimny replacement
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21 Sep 2023 06:29 #250935
by Lambert
Temeraire (2018 quasar grey automatic)
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Following a conversation I had yesterday I thought I'd share. I was waiting in the car when I was accosted by a environmentalist who noting the mud and filth on my car decided to have a go about how I was destroying the planet by going off road in my nasty dinosaur powered suv. This was in the jimny not even the cruiser but whatever I soon shut her up. But it got me thinking what would it take for me to be zero emissions.? Well to start I'd need a side by side buggy which are about 20k in electric but they are also classified as a tractor so I would need a daily which is another 20k plus for something about the size of the jimny but such a thing can't tow for trying so I would need a 4x4 to do that especially as the drive is steep and gravel so that is something like a q4 etron at 40k plus. OK the etron could do double duty but they are harder to manoeuvre in town and they hardly fit in parking spaces. So that means a comfortable 90k on 3 vehicles plus the charging infrastructure and for the buggy a suitable secured storage option cause they get stolen off farms all the time. And that's just to replace my jimny never mind the parents daily and the heavy tow rig. It's no bad thing th they have extended the cut off date, gives them chance to make a viable electric jimny.
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21 Sep 2023 07:00 #250937
by yakuza
Norway 2005 Jimny M16A VVT, 235 BFG MT, 2" Trailmaster, ARB rear lck, 17%/87% high/low gears.
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Living in a country where half of the cars on the road are EV and 80-90% of new cars sold is EV, I must say it is fully possible to do. But at what cost? Many fully functional cars have been scrapped to make this change, Many vast areas in Africa have been devestated by the chinese in their search for rare earth minerals to make the permanent magnets and batteries and all the pollution from the production. Not sure of the total impact af all this on the earth.
And all our norwegian electric power needed to charge the cars comes from our hydro electric power grid so it is very green. But in other countries the electric power comes from CO2 emitting power plants so the small gain is most likely none.
All the over comsuming and over production is what kills the earth. All the parts of the value chain that only makes stinking rich people more stinking rich as we make 20% too much stuff that we do not need. Cutting everything by 20% would make the incredible rich stop getting richer and we normal people would still have what we need but the total emissions and production cut by 20% would make most of the environmental problems go away. And we would still have enough for all our daily needs and then some.
The cars and normal peoples behavour is what gets all the focus but still it is just a small part of the total pollution. I think we all need to help, but it is most likely to little or no effect in the long run.
I would like a 4x4 with full el-motor torque from zero rpm and up though.
And all our norwegian electric power needed to charge the cars comes from our hydro electric power grid so it is very green. But in other countries the electric power comes from CO2 emitting power plants so the small gain is most likely none.
All the over comsuming and over production is what kills the earth. All the parts of the value chain that only makes stinking rich people more stinking rich as we make 20% too much stuff that we do not need. Cutting everything by 20% would make the incredible rich stop getting richer and we normal people would still have what we need but the total emissions and production cut by 20% would make most of the environmental problems go away. And we would still have enough for all our daily needs and then some.
The cars and normal peoples behavour is what gets all the focus but still it is just a small part of the total pollution. I think we all need to help, but it is most likely to little or no effect in the long run.
I would like a 4x4 with full el-motor torque from zero rpm and up though.
Norway 2005 Jimny M16A VVT, 235 BFG MT, 2" Trailmaster, ARB rear lck, 17%/87% high/low gears.
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21 Sep 2023 15:13 #250943
by DrRobin
2020 blue SZ5 (one of the last to be registered in the UK)
Ex 2011 Blue Jimny SZ4
Northumberland Jimny Blog
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How about a mountain bike? Yes I know you can't get 3 sheep on the back.
On the radio this morning the UK contributes just 1.1% of global emissions and in 25 years green housegases have fallen to one half of what they were.
The biggest source of emissions in the UK is electricity generation, that's mainly due to burning gas to produce electricity.
Don't get me started on methane, the biggest source comes from cows burping, so perhaps we should cull all of them, then we woukld have nowt to put on our cornflakes.
So if we stopped burning gas to make electricity and let us use gas for our boilers/hobs we would massively cut gas usage & greenhouse gases. However, worldwide it still wouldn't make a difference.
The radio didn't give figures for Norway, stangely (sorry Yakuza), but I would image if we added Norway's figures to ours, globally it would still hardly be significant.
Did you ask the woman what she was driving, or how many greenhouse gases were created in the making of her clothes, etc? Even if she got the bus she still created some greenhouse gases.
Today's rant over, that felt good.
On the radio this morning the UK contributes just 1.1% of global emissions and in 25 years green housegases have fallen to one half of what they were.
The biggest source of emissions in the UK is electricity generation, that's mainly due to burning gas to produce electricity.
Don't get me started on methane, the biggest source comes from cows burping, so perhaps we should cull all of them, then we woukld have nowt to put on our cornflakes.
So if we stopped burning gas to make electricity and let us use gas for our boilers/hobs we would massively cut gas usage & greenhouse gases. However, worldwide it still wouldn't make a difference.
The radio didn't give figures for Norway, stangely (sorry Yakuza), but I would image if we added Norway's figures to ours, globally it would still hardly be significant.
Did you ask the woman what she was driving, or how many greenhouse gases were created in the making of her clothes, etc? Even if she got the bus she still created some greenhouse gases.
Today's rant over, that felt good.
2020 blue SZ5 (one of the last to be registered in the UK)
Ex 2011 Blue Jimny SZ4
Northumberland Jimny Blog
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21 Sep 2023 16:36 #250944
by jlines
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Theres also the argument of just how long does it take for a car to pay back its debt to the earth for its build. My SJ certainly has and as Jimnys get older they will. In todays world of finance and having the latest things many people only have their car for around 3 to 5 years before trading in for a new one. This ulez stuff means alot of people have had to get rid of their perfectly good cars.
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21 Sep 2023 17:26 #250948
by Lambert
No I just asked her if she was partial to eating food and then suggested she owed me as a farmer. She then countered that she was vegan so I thanked her for volunteering to be the next nearest substitute for grass fed beef and she wandered off in a huff.
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Replied by Lambert on topic Zero emissions jimny replacement
How about a mountain bike? Yes I know you can't get 3 sheep on the back.
On the radio this morning the UK contributes just 1.1% of global emissions and in 25 years green housegases have fallen to one half of what they were.
The biggest source of emissions in the UK is electricity generation, that's mainly due to burning gas to produce electricity.
Don't get me started on methane, the biggest source comes from cows burping, so perhaps we should cull all of them, then we woukld have nowt to put on our cornflakes.
So if we stopped burning gas to make electricity and let us use gas for our boilers/hobs we would massively cut gas usage & greenhouse gases. However, worldwide it still wouldn't make a difference.
The radio didn't give figures for Norway, stangely (sorry Yakuza), but I would image if we added Norway's figures to ours, globally it would still hardly be significant.
Did you ask the woman what she was driving, or how many greenhouse gases were created in the making of her clothes, etc? Even if she got the bus she still created some greenhouse gases.
Today's rant over, that felt good.
No I just asked her if she was partial to eating food and then suggested she owed me as a farmer. She then countered that she was vegan so I thanked her for volunteering to be the next nearest substitute for grass fed beef and she wandered off in a huff.
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21 Sep 2023 17:32 #250949
by Lambert
That's another good point a jimny is for life after all! I only got Tem because it was a way to have an auto, there was nothing fundamentally wrong with the last one that money wouldn't have fixed.
Temeraire (2018 quasar grey automatic)
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Replied by Lambert on topic Zero emissions jimny replacement
Theres also the argument of just how long does it take for a car to pay back its debt to the earth for its build. My SJ certainly has and as Jimnys get older they will. In todays world of finance and having the latest things many people only have their car for around 3 to 5 years before trading in for a new one. This ulez stuff means alot of people have had to get rid of their perfectly good cars.
That's another good point a jimny is for life after all! I only got Tem because it was a way to have an auto, there was nothing fundamentally wrong with the last one that money wouldn't have fixed.
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