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Toyota/ Suzuki EV Jimny?

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02 Jan 2021 11:16 #231421 by Roger Fairclough
I'm no electrical engineer but to cram power into a battery to give 310 miles cruising range and all in 10 minutes is outside the realms of practicality for a normal household supply. If you spread it over night then ok, so I surmise this 10 minutes must be at the filling station of the future. My local gym has a re-charging point for current EV's and it appears to be well used.

Roger

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02 Jan 2021 11:56 #231423 by Bill Portland
I keep reading that there are now as many EV charging points as there are petrol stations (in the UK) as if that's some major achievement. What they fail to mention is that your average petrol station has 12 pumps, and each takes about 5 minutes to fill a car.
Plugin hybrids seem to be the way to go at the moment, a reasonable compromise.

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03 Jan 2021 10:26 #231439 by Busta
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Yes but the number of stations required is much lower as almost every EV leaves home in the morning fully charged, and vast majority will never need to be recharged during the day except for the few days a year they are doing over 150 or so miles.

Where as nobody has a petrol pump at home, so EVERY petrol powered car has to visit a petrol station sooner or later, even it only ever does short commutes.

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03 Jan 2021 10:36 #231440 by Busta
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GeorgeC wrote: We are forgetting the elf-ant in the room, the cost of charging the battery!

I have a brother, retired electrical engineer, who did the sums on the cost of charging and running a Nissan Leaf. The Aus Nissan web site gives the power requirements and it exceeds most domestic (single phase) mains installations and at domestic tariff will more that double the average home owner's monthly electricity cost.

If you have access to commercial "free" power at work that will off-set the cost. We are in for a rude shock when they turn the petrol off! This is nothing like topping up your 12 volt battery overnight. :(


Yes your electricity bill will go up substantially but your fuel bill will vanish, so it's a massive saving. Using a Tesla Model S as an example, it costs roughly £12 to fully charge using electricity from your house, and that gets you around 250 miles of range. Put £12 of fuel in an equivalent diesel or petrol car and you will be lucky to do 1/3 of the miles.

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03 Jan 2021 11:09 #231443 by Roger Fairclough
Ultimately petrol/diesel will die off because we will run out of oil but before then the EV has to prove itself practical from it's initial cost through to it's demise and replacement. From some viewpoints the contest is unfair because the dice are loaded in favour of the EV, we will run out of oil so so we will have no alternative plus the governments decision to ban petrol/diesel cars in the future.
Busta's comment re: massive saving on fuel bills needs approaching with caution, nothing is free ! The fuel, whether it's oil or electricity needs to made and we will have the problem of supply from the generating plants that we have at present. Yes, home supplies will benefit from overnight charging but not so daytime users. When we voted to exit Europe did anyone realise just how complicated it would be? I think the same will apply to this situation.

Roger

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03 Jan 2021 11:27 - 03 Jan 2021 11:28 #231445 by Scimike
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In any comparison you need to factor in the (UK) government has had years of imposing tax on road biased fossil fuels, so it makes them expensive. They are currently trying to find a way to move this tax to electric vehicles as revenue from fossil diminishes. So any advantage electric has now will soon vanish once the Government adjusts things.
Transportation is never going to be cheap.

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