Greenlaning in Derbyshire

Tales from the national parks on BBC4
Anyone watching it? Loads of grumpy old sad acts wanting to close greenlanes.

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just watched it, really winds me up! 4x4 drivers never try banning walkers! if all the local off roaders up there got together and tryed to get the walkers banned from the same lanes theyve been banned from to avoid more damage the walkers might start to realise how frustrating it is!

They just don't realise they are legal to drive and are public highways. Would you walk in the middle of the road and shout at every car wanting to pass?
Some of those lanes look pretty good though!

supergaz wrote: Would you walk in the middle of the road and shout at every car wanting to pass?

not sober no :laugh:

they fail to understand that our way of appreciating the countryside is different to there way, therefore shouldnt be allowed! i live no-where near the peak district but this sort of thing seems to be going on all over the place, and the trouble is the ramblers shout louder than the off roaders as they are mainly retired and devote there lives getting us banned, whereas the offroaders spend what precious little spare time they have trying there best to enjoy these sort of routes! i'm only young but still have done a fair bit of walking in my life, as part of the duke of edinborough award and ten tors challenge so also appreciate that side of things, but even if i did ever encounter off roaders when walking on exmoor, they were gone within seconds anyway!

grrr

I watched it.

Quite liked the bit where the offroaders made an "offer" to the locals of cutting the hedges back to widen the lane (I wish our council would think of that round here) but the nimbys expected a better offer- like what?

TBH, I couldn't see the fascination with driving that particular lane, looked very easy and pointless to me, apart from likely knocking the front skirt off, the corsa would have.driven it.

Was a bit artificial with all the "confrontations" too. I was expecting the bikers to ask the policeman why he wasn't out catching serial killers instead of harassing motorists :laugh:

Was a bit artificial with all the "confrontations" too. I was expecting the bikers to ask the policeman why he wasn't out catching serial killers instead of harassing motorists

We all know that we the motorist are the easy target, The police don't want to get their hands dirty.

I also walk my dog on some local green lanes, but as these are roads, I keep him on a lead, and keep clear of passing motorists.

I'm probably better not getting going too much on this or I'll explode.

Twice the presenter stated that as he sat there he came to realise the point of view of the Ramblers but not once did he say the same for the motorists.

But I don't think the motorists described why they enjoyed driving greenlanes very effectively. To be fair to the presenter he did ask them too!

In fact I don't feel the motorists represented us very well at all.

I think the Ramblers rambled with no facts or substance, just opinion and that was our saving grace, along with the Chief Executive of the Peaks Nation Park telling them so! What a great and bold bloke.

You could see the faces of the staff of the Park as they restrained themselves from saying to the Ramblers what they were thinking, then their boss just said it as plainly but yet somehow dilpomatically as he did!

I think we need to get out of the mindset of going to find a challenging lane and a little more into having a gentle drive in the country, leaving the challenging stuff for the pay and play sites. Having said that, rocky places such as the Lakes and Derbyshire suffer little from our use due to their hard surfaces.

Chapel Gate differed due to the water erosion exacerbated by our use and I actually agree with it's TRO. Stanage Edge is fine apart from the idiots that go off piste at one end.

We have the law on our side and it can only be changed with evidence, not whinging, so let's not provide any!

Kirkynut

I agree with kirkynut, wherever possible provide little or no ammunition.
Its been highlighted before and we aren't the only group to suffer with it but its a typical case of the minority spoiling it for everyone else. I know a few(i'm we all do) who just see it as a free way to get muddy.

I watched the programme and i was staggered that the only person they could find to represent 4x4 users was that tool in the freeloader!!!! He was ill prepared and incapable of public debate.