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13 Mar 2018 11:59 #190355 by yakuza
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We have been dog breeders for years. We used to help our puppy buyers with things like this, giving help and tips. I would not recommend trying to wear out the dog by too much exercise, too much play or too long walks. with a puppy the first thing is to practice calmness, contact and leadership in my opinion. We do not recommend playing with the dog at all and keep all stress levels down. Never wake up the dog while he is sleeping, never throw things, never activity with ball as we like playing with our kids in the garden without the dog running after the ball and the kids. Never let the dog walk through a door before it is calm, and always after you the leader. Never let the dog out of the den, car or cage before it is calm. if it pulls the leash, I will not walk an inch in that direction before it is calm. I am the boss, I am the leader, no playing like you fight because we do not ever question who is the leader. When the dog behaves it is greatly rewarded and is very happy. When there is no doubt who is in charge the dog will feel safe and secure and taken care of.
Sounds completely "nazi", I know, but it works for me.
With a calm dog that you have leadership of your training and learning is much easier. removing unwanted behavior is almost impossible without the good basic training. Teaching a calm dog that you have a clear leadership of is very easy though.. We bred large dogs so having a 50-60kg dog running about the house could lead to injuries :).
I guess i am a bit extreme when we suppress all that wild and natural behavior but that is how I want the dog to behave. I hate crazy dogs that jump up at you. The result with my own dogs is just how we want them mostly.. One of our dogs bark a lot when the doorbell rings and trying to stop him from doing this is almost impossible. When i try to reprimand this i guess he thinks he didn't bark good enough, and will try to bark better the next time :) not a very big problem but still unwanted. This dog came to us when he was three years old and we have removed jumping on women and kids, pulling the leash and some other "defects" but the barking will not come off..

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13 Mar 2018 15:10 #190361 by Lambert
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I think calm might be a bit of an ask but I am up for trying it. Thanks.

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13 Mar 2018 17:26 #190365 by jackonlyjack
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13 Mar 2018 20:16 #190379 by Young Pretender
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Could also try leaving it lots of toys, maybe a stick to chew on and some old clothes - plenty to keep it occupied?

I’m all for lots of good reward based training and love dogs but I also feel that punishment is an important part of behavioral training too, bad behavior should not be ignored. Not hitting a dog, but displaying strength and dominance - that can manifest itself in different ways in different situations but as an example our pup chewed the kitchen cupboard when we were out. Once home I simply dragged it over there, held it close and tightly so it couldn’t move, pointed at the damage and shouted in an extremely angry tone. After two or three times like this it stopped doing it. Many dog lovers might argue that the dog wouldn’t understand unless caught in the action but that’s rubbish. They’re intelligent enough to understand and the proof is in the pudding.

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14 Mar 2018 05:08 #190386 by Lambert
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I have been thinking about this more and quite honestly I shouldn't have to train the dog. It isn't mine and I never wanted it. My preferred approach is going to be training the wife through taxation for everything of mine that is destroyed. Harsh but fair in the circumstances.

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14 Mar 2018 08:24 #190390 by yakuza
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Young Pretender wrote: Could also try leaving it lots of toys, maybe a stick to chew on and some old clothes - plenty to keep it occupied?

I’m all for lots of good reward based training and love dogs but I also feel that punishment is an important part of behavioral training too, bad behavior should not be ignored. Not hitting a dog, but displaying strength and dominance - that can manifest itself in different ways in different situations but as an example our pup chewed the kitchen cupboard when we were out. Once home I simply dragged it over there, held it close and tightly so it couldn’t move, pointed at the damage and shouted in an extremely angry tone. After two or three times like this it stopped doing it. Many dog lovers might argue that the dog wouldn’t understand unless caught in the action but that’s rubbish. They’re intelligent enough to understand and the proof is in the pudding.



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There is a difference between using force, and using violence in my opinin and i do think the use of force is ok used at the right time. I have tried ignoring bad behavior but I do not see the point of it if your dog responds to corrections.
I am not sure what you describe here and i have personally very bad experience using too much force on the border of violence.
When excessive force is used in the wrong way or at the wrong time, the dog can come to doubt as to who is in charge. Never fight your dog for the respect, it should never be questioned. If it comes to this point you have failed already as i see it.
If you have a calm dog and you have clear leadership and the dog knows what "no" means (that must be trained) then it should never come to this. Be a safe and clear leader. And of course a bit of cuddling and reward in some form must be used.

Lambert: agree! We had 4 dogs and one had ADHD and one where a puppy.. Never been so close to divorce.
However as with all marital disputes it might help to help out a bit.

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