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vague steering
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09 Dec 2019 12:54 #216315
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Hi all HELP required . I have a t reg jimny completly standard except for 205/75/15 general grabber at3 tyres , at any spped over 45 mph the steering feels very vague I have adjusted the steering box for play ,tried all different tyre pressures , no play on any steering joints or wheels bearings .wheels balanced and wheel alignment checked. when I bought the car it steered normally and you could drive on the motorway happily at 70 mph like my previous jimny . I am at the stage were I don't no what else to look at for the problem and the car does not feel safe to drive . your thoughts please .
thanks in advance chris
thanks in advance chris
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09 Dec 2019 15:34 #216318
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What pressures in your tyres
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09 Dec 2019 15:38 #216319
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Hi front 23 psi , rear 26 psi I have tried all manner of different pressures and its made no difference. thanks chris
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09 Dec 2019 15:52 #216320
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Do you offroad have you bent steering drag links panhard rods
are your trackrod ends in good condition
are your trackrod ends in good condition
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09 Dec 2019 19:27 #216325
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Hi not used for serious off road just for checking sheep and light jobs on farm and everyday transport.
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09 Dec 2019 19:53 #216326
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Yokohama Geolanders, Sony head unit, NAUTILUS Air Horn, DRL conversion, Rear cargo space, Elvis Bobblehead, transfer Guard, Indian hanging Elephant, Koni Heavy track dampers, Custom SS exhaust, Voodoo Doll, Adventure Rack with LED ight bar, vintage ERIBA caravan usually attached (yes it's slow)
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Just musing some alternative possibilities.
So if you have checked everything for play, bent bits, alignment etc and everything looks fine, is it's possible something is actually tight or notchy?
If a part in the long list of steering components is not free to move it could prevent the self centering action of the steering geometry, this resulting in the wandering you are experiencing in a straight line.
I guess the only way to find out is separate the ball joints etc and with the wheels up in the air and move each part from lock to lock.
Another possibility is the tyres, any others you can try on the front just to eliminate? Swap rear / front and see if anything changes.
Good luck
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So if you have checked everything for play, bent bits, alignment etc and everything looks fine, is it's possible something is actually tight or notchy?
If a part in the long list of steering components is not free to move it could prevent the self centering action of the steering geometry, this resulting in the wandering you are experiencing in a straight line.
I guess the only way to find out is separate the ball joints etc and with the wheels up in the air and move each part from lock to lock.
Another possibility is the tyres, any others you can try on the front just to eliminate? Swap rear / front and see if anything changes.
Good luck
Mike
Yokohama Geolanders, Sony head unit, NAUTILUS Air Horn, DRL conversion, Rear cargo space, Elvis Bobblehead, transfer Guard, Indian hanging Elephant, Koni Heavy track dampers, Custom SS exhaust, Voodoo Doll, Adventure Rack with LED ight bar, vintage ERIBA caravan usually attached (yes it's slow)
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09 Dec 2019 20:22 #216329
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Hi the steering self-centred itself on either lock can't see anything seized on any joints I have lifted all rubber covers on joints and lubricated with oil .Also forgot to mention when on the motorway it will sort of skip of to the left or right even when steering straight . cheers Chris
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10 Dec 2019 05:10 #216342
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One of the last 200ish of the gen3s, probably.
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Do you have a record of when it last had a set of kingpin bearings? It is entirely possible that they become so corroded and full of smuts that while they don't leak oil in the normal manner they are still dead. Like Mike says everything has to be fairly well perfect on a Jimny for it to drive straight and smooth they are far too sensitive to wear.
Temeraire (2018 quasar grey automatic)
One of the last 200ish of the gen3s, probably.
ADOS Attention Deficit Ooooh Shiny!
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10 Dec 2019 10:44 #216354
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Hi Lambert
ref kingpin bearings I have checked all the info that came with the car and cant see any mention of kingpin bearings being replaced is there a way of checking them for wear ?
thanks chris
ref kingpin bearings I have checked all the info that came with the car and cant see any mention of kingpin bearings being replaced is there a way of checking them for wear ?
thanks chris
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10 Dec 2019 15:37 #216361
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You could jack up and feel for movement 6-9o'clock
Like Lambert says they don't always show oil
Or in my case no movement no oil just a knock every other week
Once apart my bearings just fell out the case was rotten
Like Lambert says they don't always show oil
Or in my case no movement no oil just a knock every other week
Once apart my bearings just fell out the case was rotten
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15 Jan 2020 17:27 - 15 Jan 2020 17:30 #217286
by Max Headroom
IF IT AINT BROKE, KEEP FIXING IT UNTIL IT IS
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Knackered shock absorbers can make the car feel 'floaty' which feels a bit like vague steering.
I've had this happen on a couple of older sports cars with those awful Armstron lever-arm type shick absorbers. The whole thing feels very vague on the road and I can only describe it as 'floaty'
I've had this happen on a couple of older sports cars with those awful Armstron lever-arm type shick absorbers. The whole thing feels very vague on the road and I can only describe it as 'floaty'
IF IT AINT BROKE, KEEP FIXING IT UNTIL IT IS
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19 Jan 2020 08:52 #217400
by kirkynut
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There could be a multitude of worn components that combine to create this feeling.
Some MOT Stations have a shaker system where it shakes the whole car on a ramp with the tester underneath looking for play in all if the components.
Finding such an MOT Station and explaining your issue, asking them to help you out by just putting it on that ramp and using their experience to see any likely culprits could make diagnosis much quicker.
The steering wheel will turn a fair bit with no response from the wheels if there's still play in that.
Kirkynut
Some MOT Stations have a shaker system where it shakes the whole car on a ramp with the tester underneath looking for play in all if the components.
Finding such an MOT Station and explaining your issue, asking them to help you out by just putting it on that ramp and using their experience to see any likely culprits could make diagnosis much quicker.
The steering wheel will turn a fair bit with no response from the wheels if there's still play in that.
Kirkynut
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