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Possible death wobble ?

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21 Jul 2023 08:32 #249941 by neffy33
Hi everyone 

Prior to taking the car to the mechanic i was experiencing my steering juddering like mad when i went over 40mph 
When i went to mechanic they stated " front axel swivel joint was leaking /corrosion and they replaced with Swivel Joint Bearings.

Now I took a motorway journey yesterday and the steering judders on certian types of road which is weird as I thought the issue would be resolved .

Car details : 2004 JLX Jimny
Tyres : Brand New

The mechanic also stated the other following issues : 

offside front cutrigger needs welding ( hasn't been fixed yet ) 

offside rear spring hanger needs welding ( this has been fixed .

what do people think ?

Is it worth replacing the entire front axle?
 

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21 Jul 2023 13:05 #249943 by saxj
Replied by saxj on topic Possible death wobble ?

Tyres : Brand New

There is the clue. The tyres have probably not been balanced correctly.

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21 Jul 2023 17:20 #249947 by oldgazzer
Replied by oldgazzer on topic Possible death wobble ?
Make sure tyres are at the correct pressure!

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21 Jul 2023 18:40 #249948 by grumyoldjoe
Replied by grumyoldjoe on topic Possible death wobble ?
As above, first check pressures.
Last time I let quit fit change mine they inflated to 34psi all 4 corners.

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21 Jul 2023 20:42 #249950 by neffy33
Replied by neffy33 on topic Possible death wobble ?
Hi everyone 

Thank you for the prompt reply i will get those tyres balanced ASAP and get wheel alignment done . 

I have some toyo suv tyres fitted and have been told the correct psi on the tyres is 36psi .

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21 Jul 2023 20:58 #249951 by lesgrandepotato
That sounds high. I’m a couple of beers to the good but I think I’m running 23psi all round. It’s not a heavy vehicle 

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21 Jul 2023 22:09 #249952 by oldgazzer
Replied by oldgazzer on topic Possible death wobble ?
Mine is front 24psi - rear 26psi
www.tyre-pressures.com/bycar/suzuki/jimny/2005

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21 Jul 2023 22:30 - 21 Jul 2023 22:34 #249953 by Scimike
Replied by Scimike on topic Possible death wobble ?
Yep your tyre pressure is on the high side. 23-26 in front is around the mark.
NO you don't need to replace the axle.
Get the tyre balance checked first as above^^^^^
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After that it gets a little more complex to resolve. The complete axle and steering component system all contribute to damping out any oscillation. Simply when new everything is tight, ball joints, bearings, even suspension dampers. Over time things start to get a little sloppy and in some instances, such as your kingpin bearings, they fail. These changes make the vehicle front end susceptible to oscillations, ie death wobble around the 45 -55 mark. So just fixing one item may /may not totally prevent the oscillation. Bumps in the road or changes in road surface can set the oscillations going.
​​​​​​So if everything looks in good order, bearings,  ball joints and rubber bushes you can add preload washers to the kingpins bearings to compensate by adding a bit of "load" to this area. Alternatively you can fit a steering damper, or do both if required.
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24 Jul 2023 17:42 #249980 by neffy33
Replied by neffy33 on topic Possible death wobble ?
Hi everyone 

I went to get the tyres aligned today and the tyres were slightly out of alignment which has been fixed .

I've taken the car for a drive and it is still doing the same thing .
Once you hit around 40mph it's doing its usually judder

There is no wobble .
Car does not judder when braking .
Although the tyres are alignmend it does veer to the left every so slightly. 

What else could do this be ?




 

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24 Jul 2023 17:48 #249981 by fordem
Replied by fordem on topic Possible death wobble ?
You want to balance the wheels, not alignment.

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24 Jul 2023 20:34 #249985 by neffy33
Replied by neffy33 on topic Possible death wobble ?
When I got the tyres fitted they did balance them but it seems like they obviously didn't do a good enough job. 

If I go to the garage again and the balance is the issue will they mess up the alignment ? 

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24 Jul 2023 22:50 #249986 by Scimike
Replied by Scimike on topic Possible death wobble ?
Hi
No it won't change the alignment.
Balance and alignment are two separate things and adjusting one will not impact the other. Alignment simplified is how much the front wheels point in ( toe in ) or point out (toe out) in relation to each other, they are very rarely parallel. You adjust the track rods / ball joints on the steering rack to change this. Balance stops the wheel from shaking as it rotates, heavy spots are balanced by adding weights to the wheel.

YOu could try moving wheels front to back and see if this changes anything. If it does it's likely to be balance, but try to keep the same make of tyre on the front. I have experienced different tyre makes (hence different tread patterns) inducing a shake on perfectly balanced tyres.

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