4x4 vs winter

Mud and snow tyres are summer tyres in my opinion.
Three peaks snowflake are better.
No norwegians use summer tires in winter here, and half use steel dubbed tires.
Still most main roads are salted.

Foreign trucks enter Norway on M+S tires tjhinking it will be adequate:


www.at.no/artikler/video-fra-e6-fikk-pol...tog-i-fronten/455597

Hopefully M+S tires will not be allowed anymore now..

Bill Portland wrote: Where do mud and snow (M+S) tyres come into the scheme of things? .

I dont think they do Bill. I was having this very discussion with my neighbour earlier this evening.

I think that for tyres to be deemed as "winter tyres" and meet the minimum standards set for performing in cold or winter conditions only then can they have mountain snowflake symbol on them


I might be wrong but I think that M+S tyres without the mountain snowflake symbol won't be made of compounds suited to cold weather situations.

When I was driving in the Norwegian winter (with the RAF) all our vehicles had studded tyres - I was astonished! You could drive on compacted snow and ice almost normally as if they were dry roads!

Studded tyres are illegal here apparently

I just popped out to check and the Peugeot 2008 comes with m+s tyres which also have the mountain snowflake logo. I'm impressed. They're Goodyear vector 4 seasons.
The new Jimny just has summer tyres doesn't it? I wonder if they will do alternatives as an option?

I have Michelin Winter tyres on my current Jimny, and they are excellent- unless you really do have a lead foot, they keep the back end behind the front where it should be, and allow some braking on icy roads. I've only used 4wd once on ice or snow in the 4 years I've had them, and I could likely have got it going in 2wd anyway if I'd made more of an effort to drive properly.

They are covered with those tiny sipes that supposedly grip a bit on wet ice.

I was hoping to just pop them on The New One when it arrives, but they will be too small, even if the wheels go on.

Bill Portland wrote: I just popped out to check and the Peugeot 2008 comes with m+s tyres which also have the mountain snowflake logo. I'm impressed. They're Goodyear vector 4 seasons.

We had the G'year Vector 4 Seasons on our Meriva and managed to get out in the snow last year (just locally). We live on a hill that doesn't get gritted and we didnt get stuck,
They get pretty good reviews, and weren't particularly expensive either