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− | + | == Introduction == | |
+ | {{Gen1|}}{{Gen2|}}{{Gen3|}}{{Gen4|}} | ||
+ | A lot of people dream about lifting their 4WD vehicle, as they consider that to be an essential modification for vehicle's off-road use. | ||
− | = Types of vehicle lifts = | + | |
+ | == Types of vehicle lifts == | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{Gen1|}}{{Gen2|}}{{Gen3|}}{{Gen4|}} | ||
+ | === Introduction === | ||
There are three types of vehicle lifts: | There are three types of vehicle lifts: | ||
− | # Body lift | + | # Body lift; |
− | # Suspension lift | + | # Suspension lift (UK: called a spacer lift); |
− | # Longer suspension ( | + | # Longer suspension (UK: called a suspension lift); |
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | ==== Notes on lifts and larger tyres ==== | ||
+ | |||
+ | * The vehicle can also be lifted by installing larger (taller) tyres. | ||
+ | ** That is the only way to lift the axles (as well as the entire vehicle). | ||
+ | * See the wiki article [[Tyre_selection_and_usage_-_best_practices|"Tyre selection and usage - best practices"]] for full details (especially the chapter "Choosing tyre size"). | ||
+ | ** Beware that using larger tyres introduces its own set of technical issues, like gearing ratio inadequacy, additional load on the wheel bearings, etc. | ||
− | |||
+ | * Maximum ground clearance gain is achieved when the vehicle is lifted '''AND''' has larger tyres at the same time. | ||
− | |||
+ | * All three vehicle lifting methods increase the clearance between the wheels and the body panels, thus enabling the fitment of larger tyres. | ||
+ | * Body lift is the cheapest and simplest method if the fitment of larger tyres is the only goal. | ||
+ | * The other two lifting methods have other beneficial effects. | ||
− | |||
− | Therefore, body lift does not raise any component of the chassis or the underbody away from the ground. | + | * An alternative solution for fitting larger tyres, instead of applying a lift, is to trim the wheel arches. |
+ | ** That solution can of course be combined with a vehicle lift to gain maximum clearance for gargantuan wheels. | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{note|See the wiki article [[Wheel arch trimming|"'''Wheel arch trimming'''"]] for more details.}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | === Body lift === | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | ==== General info ==== | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | * Body lift is the simplest type of lifts. | ||
+ | ** It essentially consists of installing spacers on the body-to-chassis mounts (on vehicles which have separate chassis and cabin, like Jimnys 1-4). | ||
+ | *** Therefore, a body lift does not raise any component of the chassis or of the underbody away from the ground. | ||
+ | * A key benefit is that the steering is unaffected by a body lift. | ||
The only two purposes for lifting the body are: | The only two purposes for lifting the body are: | ||
− | # To look cool or mean on a budget (if that turns you on) | + | # To look cool or mean on a budget (if that turns you on). |
− | # To increase clearance between the wheels and body panels around the wheels. This then enables fitment of larger tyres | + | # To increase the clearance between the wheels and the body panels around the wheels. |
+ | #* This then enables fitment of larger tyres. | ||
+ | #** Larger tyres lift the entire vehicle. | ||
− | == | + | ==== Body lift specific notes ==== |
− | + | * When considering a body lift, it is worthwhile thinking about the quality of the product. | |
+ | * Kits vary from some square section steel tube through to custom machined billet spacers. | ||
+ | * Also, the cheap kits drill out the old threads and bolt through the resulting hole, whilst some kits have machined threads and bolts that preserve the old threads. | ||
+ | * As the bumper is mounted to the chassis rails, a lift creates a gap between the top of the bumper and the rest of the body. | ||
+ | ** The better kits have relocation brackets for the bumper to hide the gap. | ||
+ | * With larger body lifts, the steering column may require extending with a spacer. | ||
− | Suspension lift raises the entire vehicle apart from the axles | + | |
+ | In summary, the best body lift kits contain properly machined billet spacers and bolts, with bumper relocation and steering column spacers. | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | === Suspension lift === | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | * Suspension lift means installing spacers under/on mounts which connect axles or chassis with suspension springs and shock absorbers. | ||
+ | * Suspension lift raises the entire vehicle apart from the axles. | ||
+ | ** It is a cheap way to effectively lift a vehicle, but only for small lifts. | ||
Beware that installing longer suspension is commonly wrongly named "suspension lift". | Beware that installing longer suspension is commonly wrongly named "suspension lift". | ||
− | + | {{note|UK readers may be more familiar with this being a "Spacer Lift"}} | |
− | + | === Installing longer suspension === | |
− | + | * Typically wrongly called "suspension lift". | |
+ | * This procedure consists of removing your factory springs and shock absorbers and installing aftermarket-made longer springs and shock absorbers. | ||
− | This type of lift provides the most flexibility and choice when purchasing parts and building the lift. | + | * Installing longer suspension raises the entire vehicle apart from the axles. |
+ | * It typically significantly changes all dynamic driving characteristics of the vehicle, both on road and off road. | ||
+ | * This type of lift provides the most flexibility and choice when purchasing parts and building the lift. | ||
− | |||
+ | {{note|UK readers may be more familiar with this being a "Suspension Lift"}} | ||
− | |||
+ | == Benefits, issues and risks == | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{Gen1|}}{{Gen2|}}{{Gen3|}}{{Gen4|}} | ||
+ | === Introduction === | ||
− | |||
− | However, vehicle lifts come with many disadvantages, costs and some serious real life risks. | + | * Vehicle lifts provide one technical and several sociological advantages. |
+ | * However, vehicle lifts come with many disadvantages, costs and some serious real life risks. | ||
− | == Benefits == | + | === Benefits === |
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− | == Issues == | + | === Issues === |
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | ==== Problems ==== | ||
# Suspension lift or longer suspension can significantly distort or even disrupt some vehicle's systems (steering, brake, transmission). | # Suspension lift or longer suspension can significantly distort or even disrupt some vehicle's systems (steering, brake, transmission). | ||
− | # Suspension lift or longer suspension can financially quickly spiral out of control | + | # Suspension lift or longer suspension can financially quickly spiral out of control. |
+ | #* Reason: they might require extensive modifications of suspension, steering and driveline components in order to compensate for technical issues which are created by the lift. | ||
− | + | ==== Remedies ==== | |
− | |||
− | Lack of financial funds can be remedied by buying a new loan at the bank or by various | + | # Disruptions of the brake and transmission can be remedied by installing extended brake hoses and installing propeller shaft spacers. |
+ | # Distortion of the steering system can be remedied (or only partially mitigated for larger lifts) by installing offset radius arm bushes or (aftermarket-made) offset radius arms. | ||
+ | # Increased center of gravity (increased body roll / vehicle instability) can be partially remedied by installing wheel spacers (see below). | ||
+ | # Lack of financial funds can be remedied by buying a new loan at the bank, by selling a non-vital body organ or by performing various criminal activities. | ||
− | == Risks == | + | === Risks === |
− | # Vehicle lifts will make a car more unstable on the road. This is especially pronounced with suspension lift and longer suspensions. | + | # Vehicle lifts will make a car more unstable on the road. |
− | # In some countries, in order to make the vehicle road legal, it is compulsory to perform some vehicle recertification after applying any modification the vehicle. A vehicle lift is certainly a '''BIG''' modification. | + | #* This is especially pronounced with a suspension lift and longer suspensions. |
+ | # In some countries, in order to make the vehicle road legal, it is compulsory to perform some vehicle recertification after applying any modification the vehicle. | ||
+ | #* A vehicle lift is certainly a '''BIG''' modification. | ||
# Larger lifts may not be made road legal in some countries. | # Larger lifts may not be made road legal in some countries. | ||
− | |||
− | + | {{note|UK readers: Most modifications are permitted if your insurance company will insure the vehicle and it will pass the annual MOT test. A rule of thumb is that once you start cutting parts like the chassis then an SVA is required.}} | |
− | {{warning|Modifying a vehicle can have legal consequences in some countries! The reader is responsible for checking on the local rules in their country}} | + | {{warning|Modifying a vehicle can have legal consequences in some countries! The reader is responsible for checking on the local rules in their country.}} |
− | |||
− | |||
+ | == Additional considerations == | ||
− | The driving benefit of a lift highly depends on the | + | {{Gen1|}}{{Gen2|}}{{Gen3|}}{{Gen4|}} |
+ | * The driving benefit of a lift highly depends on the severity of off road terrain and the extend of off road driving. | ||
+ | ** All Jimnys 1-4 are already quite capable in their stock forms, and slightly larger tyres might be all that is needed. | ||
+ | * Therefore, it is advisable for the driver to first drive their vehicle a bit, and experience all of his intended off-roading situations before deciding if a lift would truly be required. | ||
+ | * In any case, for frequent road use, it is recommended '''not''' to modify more than a 2" suspension lift. | ||
− | |||
+ | * If you do decide to lift the vehicle up, then it would be a good countermeasure to widen its stance (to stabilize it) by installing wheel spacers on all four wheels or by using offset wheels. | ||
− | + | {{note|See wiki articles [[Wheel spacers|'''"Wheel spacers"''']] and [[Offset wheels|'''"Offset wheels"''']] for more details.}} | |
− | |||
+ | == Lift kit comparisons == | ||
− | = Lift | + | === Lift kits for Jimny 3 === |
− | |||
− | |||
+ | {{Gen3|}} | ||
{| class="wikitable" | {| class="wikitable" | ||
!colspan="13"|Spring comparison | !colspan="13"|Spring comparison | ||
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− | == | + | === Lift kits for Jimny 4 === |
+ | |||
+ | {{Gen4|}} | ||
+ | *''Info needed...'' | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | === Lift kits on Jimny 3 === | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{Gen3|}} | ||
+ | ==== Standard Jimny 3 ==== | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | [[File:Standard UK VVT Jimny.JPG|thumb|left|512px|Standard / stock Jimny 3]] | ||
+ | |||
+ | * An unmodified 2005 VVT Jimny 3 (UK) for comparison. | ||
+ | <br clear=all> | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | ==== Trailmaster 2" Lift kit ==== | ||
+ | |||
− | === | + | <gallery widths="480px" heights="320px" class=center caption="Trailmaster 2 inch lift"> |
+ | Trailmaster 2" lift - 2 .jpg | ||
+ | Trailmaster 50mm kit.JPG | ||
+ | </gallery> | ||
<br clear=all> | <br clear=all> | ||
− | [[File: | + | |
− | + | * See the [https://www.bigjimny.com/store/trailmaster-50mm-2-lift-kit-suzuki-jimny.html BigJimny Store]. | |
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | ==== Trailmaster 2" lift and Jimnybits 2" body lift ==== | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | [[File:Trailmaster 2" and body lift.jpg|thumb|left|512px|Trailmaster 2" lift and Jimnybits 2" body lift]] | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Jimny 3 fitted with Trailmaster 2" lift and Jimnybits 2" body lift combination | ||
<br clear=all> | <br clear=all> | ||
− | === Trailmaster | + | |
+ | ==== Trailmaster 3" lift ==== | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | [[File:Trailmaster 3" lift.jpg|thumb|left|512px|Trailmaster 3" lift]] | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Jimny 3 fitted with Trailmaster 3" lift components | ||
<br clear=all> | <br clear=all> | ||
− | |||
− | |||
− | + | ||
+ | ==== Jimnybits 2" Body lift ==== | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | [[File:Jimnybits-body-lift-02.jpg|thumb|left|512px|Jimnybits 2" Body lift]] | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Jimny 3 fitted with Jimnybits 2" Body lift | ||
<br clear=all> | <br clear=all> | ||
− | === | + | |
+ | ==== Jimnybits 2" Body lift & 2" Spring Lift==== | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | [[File:Jimnybits-bodyandspring-01.jpg|thumb|left|512px|Combined Jimnybits 2" Body lift and 2" Spring lift]] | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Jimny 3 fitted with combined Jimnybits 2" Body lift and 2" Spring lift (AVO shock version) | ||
<br clear=all> | <br clear=all> | ||
− | |||
− | |||
+ | |||
+ | ==== JimnyBits 2" lift ==== | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | [[File:JimnyBits 2" Lift.jpg|thumb|left|512px|JimnyBits 2" Lift]] | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Jimny 3 fitted with JimnyBits 2" lift kit (Procomp shock version) | ||
<br clear=all> | <br clear=all> | ||
− | === | + | |
+ | ==== KAP Suzuki 3" lift ==== | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | [[File:KAP 3" Lift.JPG|thumb|left|512px|KAP 3" Lift]] | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Jimny 3 fitted with KAP Suzuki 3" lift kit | ||
<br clear=all> | <br clear=all> | ||
− | [[File:Tough Dog 120mm.jpg|thumb|left| | + | |
− | Jimny fitted with Tough Dog 120mm Lift (Australia) | + | |
− | Note: I think the 120mm lift is an 80mm lift with extra spacers? | + | ==== Tough Dog 120mm lift ==== |
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | [[File:Tough Dog 120mm.jpg|thumb|left|512px|Tough Dog 120mm Lift]] | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Jimny 3 fitted with Tough Dog 120mm Lift (Australia) | ||
+ | * Note: I think the 120mm lift is an 80mm lift with extra spacers? | ||
<br clear=all> | <br clear=all> | ||
− | |||
+ | === Lift kits on Jimny 4 === | ||
+ | {{Gen4|}} | ||
+ | * ''Info needed...'' | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | == Conclusion == | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{Gen1|}}{{Gen2|}}{{Gen3|}}{{Gen4|}} | ||
A stock Jimny with no lift nor spacers (apart from slightly larger tyres) can still get to most places where you intend to go, just with more skill or attempts applied (and that's the name of the game). | A stock Jimny with no lift nor spacers (apart from slightly larger tyres) can still get to most places where you intend to go, just with more skill or attempts applied (and that's the name of the game). | ||
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− | [[Category:Modifications]] | + | |
− | [[Category:FAQ]] | + | [[Category:Modifications - gen2]] |
+ | [[Category:FAQ - gen2]] | ||
+ | |||
+ | [[Category:Modifications - gen3]] | ||
+ | [[Category:FAQ - gen3]] | ||
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+ | [[Category:Modifications - gen4]] | ||
+ | [[Category:FAQ - gen4]] |
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Contents
Introduction
A lot of people dream about lifting their 4WD vehicle, as they consider that to be an essential modification for vehicle's off-road use.
Types of vehicle lifts
Introduction
There are three types of vehicle lifts:
- Body lift;
- Suspension lift (UK: called a spacer lift);
- Longer suspension (UK: called a suspension lift);
Notes on lifts and larger tyres
- The vehicle can also be lifted by installing larger (taller) tyres.
- That is the only way to lift the axles (as well as the entire vehicle).
- See the wiki article "Tyre selection and usage - best practices" for full details (especially the chapter "Choosing tyre size").
- Beware that using larger tyres introduces its own set of technical issues, like gearing ratio inadequacy, additional load on the wheel bearings, etc.
- Maximum ground clearance gain is achieved when the vehicle is lifted AND has larger tyres at the same time.
- All three vehicle lifting methods increase the clearance between the wheels and the body panels, thus enabling the fitment of larger tyres.
- Body lift is the cheapest and simplest method if the fitment of larger tyres is the only goal.
- The other two lifting methods have other beneficial effects.
- An alternative solution for fitting larger tyres, instead of applying a lift, is to trim the wheel arches.
- That solution can of course be combined with a vehicle lift to gain maximum clearance for gargantuan wheels.
See the wiki article "Wheel arch trimming" for more details.
Body lift
General info
- Body lift is the simplest type of lifts.
- It essentially consists of installing spacers on the body-to-chassis mounts (on vehicles which have separate chassis and cabin, like Jimnys 1-4).
- Therefore, a body lift does not raise any component of the chassis or of the underbody away from the ground.
- It essentially consists of installing spacers on the body-to-chassis mounts (on vehicles which have separate chassis and cabin, like Jimnys 1-4).
- A key benefit is that the steering is unaffected by a body lift.
The only two purposes for lifting the body are:
- To look cool or mean on a budget (if that turns you on).
- To increase the clearance between the wheels and the body panels around the wheels.
- This then enables fitment of larger tyres.
- Larger tyres lift the entire vehicle.
- This then enables fitment of larger tyres.
Body lift specific notes
- When considering a body lift, it is worthwhile thinking about the quality of the product.
- Kits vary from some square section steel tube through to custom machined billet spacers.
- Also, the cheap kits drill out the old threads and bolt through the resulting hole, whilst some kits have machined threads and bolts that preserve the old threads.
- As the bumper is mounted to the chassis rails, a lift creates a gap between the top of the bumper and the rest of the body.
- The better kits have relocation brackets for the bumper to hide the gap.
- With larger body lifts, the steering column may require extending with a spacer.
In summary, the best body lift kits contain properly machined billet spacers and bolts, with bumper relocation and steering column spacers.
Suspension lift
- Suspension lift means installing spacers under/on mounts which connect axles or chassis with suspension springs and shock absorbers.
- Suspension lift raises the entire vehicle apart from the axles.
- It is a cheap way to effectively lift a vehicle, but only for small lifts.
Beware that installing longer suspension is commonly wrongly named "suspension lift".
Installing longer suspension
- Typically wrongly called "suspension lift".
- This procedure consists of removing your factory springs and shock absorbers and installing aftermarket-made longer springs and shock absorbers.
- Installing longer suspension raises the entire vehicle apart from the axles.
- It typically significantly changes all dynamic driving characteristics of the vehicle, both on road and off road.
- This type of lift provides the most flexibility and choice when purchasing parts and building the lift.
Benefits, issues and risks
Introduction
- Vehicle lifts provide one technical and several sociological advantages.
- However, vehicle lifts come with many disadvantages, costs and some serious real life risks.
Benefits
- Vehicle lifts make your vehicle look cooler or nastier (if that turns you on).
- Vehicle lifts increase the ride height, increasing your self esteem.
- Vehicle lifts improve vehicle's off roading potency, as well as your own.
- Vehicle lifts make you feel you've finally done something significant to your vehicle.
Issues
Problems
- Suspension lift or longer suspension can significantly distort or even disrupt some vehicle's systems (steering, brake, transmission).
- Suspension lift or longer suspension can financially quickly spiral out of control.
- Reason: they might require extensive modifications of suspension, steering and driveline components in order to compensate for technical issues which are created by the lift.
Remedies
- Disruptions of the brake and transmission can be remedied by installing extended brake hoses and installing propeller shaft spacers.
- Distortion of the steering system can be remedied (or only partially mitigated for larger lifts) by installing offset radius arm bushes or (aftermarket-made) offset radius arms.
- Increased center of gravity (increased body roll / vehicle instability) can be partially remedied by installing wheel spacers (see below).
- Lack of financial funds can be remedied by buying a new loan at the bank, by selling a non-vital body organ or by performing various criminal activities.
Risks
- Vehicle lifts will make a car more unstable on the road.
- This is especially pronounced with a suspension lift and longer suspensions.
- In some countries, in order to make the vehicle road legal, it is compulsory to perform some vehicle recertification after applying any modification the vehicle.
- A vehicle lift is certainly a BIG modification.
- Larger lifts may not be made road legal in some countries.
UK readers: Most modifications are permitted if your insurance company will insure the vehicle and it will pass the annual MOT test. A rule of thumb is that once you start cutting parts like the chassis then an SVA is required.
Modifying a vehicle can have legal consequences in some countries! The reader is responsible for checking on the local rules in their country.
Additional considerations
- The driving benefit of a lift highly depends on the severity of off road terrain and the extend of off road driving.
- All Jimnys 1-4 are already quite capable in their stock forms, and slightly larger tyres might be all that is needed.
- Therefore, it is advisable for the driver to first drive their vehicle a bit, and experience all of his intended off-roading situations before deciding if a lift would truly be required.
- In any case, for frequent road use, it is recommended not to modify more than a 2" suspension lift.
- If you do decide to lift the vehicle up, then it would be a good countermeasure to widen its stance (to stabilize it) by installing wheel spacers on all four wheels or by using offset wheels.
See wiki articles "Wheel spacers" and "Offset wheels" for more details.
Lift kit comparisons
Lift kits for Jimny 3
Spring comparison | ||||||||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Manufacturer | Model Number | Location | Free Height (mm) | Spring rate (lbf/in) | Notes | |||||||
A | B | |||||||||||
Stock | 41111-81A20 | Front | 335 | 335 | 120 | Wire 10.3mm 7.25 turns | ||||||
Rear | 288 | 288 | 120 | Wire 10.3mm 7.25 turns | ||||||||
King | KSFR-36EH | Front | 365 | 365 | 140 | |||||||
KSRR-37H | Rear | 325 | 325 | 165 | ||||||||
OME 40mm | 2965 (petrol) | Front | 365 | 365 | 146 | Wire 11.5mm 10 turns | ||||||
2969 (diesel) | Front | 360 | 360 | 170 | Wire 12mm 9.5 turns | |||||||
2966 (RHD) | Rear | 335 | 315 | 176 | Wire 12mm 10 turns | |||||||
2967 (LHD) | Rear | 325 | 325 | 176 | Wire 12mm 9.5 turns | |||||||
Dobinson | C57-046 | Front | 355 | 355 | 170 | |||||||
C57-053 | Rear | 340 | 340 | 165 | ||||||||
Trailmaster 2" | 76043 (petrol) | Front | 368 | 368 | 148 | Wire 12mm | ||||||
75053 (diesel) | Front | 353 | 353 | 205 | Wire 13mm | |||||||
76143 | Rear | 326 | 326 | 188 | ||||||||
Trailmaster 3" | 76086 | Front | 368 | 368 | 228 | |||||||
76186 | Rear | 355 | 355 | 240 |
Source:
- Stock - 2015 OME International Application Catalogue
- King - King Springs Sales and Technical Services
- OME - 2015 OME International Application Catalogue
- Dobinsons - Dobinsons Spring and Suspension International Sales
- Trailmaster - Maas Group GMBH and co.
Lift kits for Jimny 4
- Info needed...
Lift kits on Jimny 3
Standard Jimny 3
- An unmodified 2005 VVT Jimny 3 (UK) for comparison.
Trailmaster 2" Lift kit
- See the BigJimny Store.
Trailmaster 2" lift and Jimnybits 2" body lift
- Jimny 3 fitted with Trailmaster 2" lift and Jimnybits 2" body lift combination
Trailmaster 3" lift
- Jimny 3 fitted with Trailmaster 3" lift components
Jimnybits 2" Body lift
- Jimny 3 fitted with Jimnybits 2" Body lift
Jimnybits 2" Body lift & 2" Spring Lift
- Jimny 3 fitted with combined Jimnybits 2" Body lift and 2" Spring lift (AVO shock version)
JimnyBits 2" lift
- Jimny 3 fitted with JimnyBits 2" lift kit (Procomp shock version)
KAP Suzuki 3" lift
- Jimny 3 fitted with KAP Suzuki 3" lift kit
Tough Dog 120mm lift
- Jimny 3 fitted with Tough Dog 120mm Lift (Australia)
- Note: I think the 120mm lift is an 80mm lift with extra spacers?
Lift kits on Jimny 4
- Info needed...
Conclusion
A stock Jimny with no lift nor spacers (apart from slightly larger tyres) can still get to most places where you intend to go, just with more skill or attempts applied (and that's the name of the game).
If you insist on lifting the vehicle, than you are most probably going "off the legal road" and you are probably entering an enchanted techno-financial spiral of re-modding the vehicle to compensate for the lift.
Page last edited on 17/01/2021 by user Bosanek