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Adjusting the ignition timing

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20 Feb 2014 14:09 - 20 Feb 2014 14:15 #105288 by Rhinoman
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I was talking to someone about remapping the G13BB Jimny. We were discussing modifying the base timing using the trim resistor but searching through Google for a link I found no information on this so I wonder how many people have actually checked their timing. The FSM does explain how to do it but it seems that many people believe that its not adjustable. For information I've compiled a table of the stock resistor values and part numbers:

Part Number, Mark, Resistance (ohms), Advance (correction)
33926-76G10, 1, 0, -5
33926-76G20, 2, 82, -4
33926-76G30, 3, 160, -3
33926-76G40, 4, 270, -2
33926-76G50, 5, 430, -1
33926-76G01, N, 680, 0
33926-76G60, 6, 1000, 1
33926-76G70, 7, 1500, 2
33926-76G80, 8, 2200, 3
33926-76G90, 9, 3600, 4
33926-76GA0, 10, 6200, 5
33926-76GB0, 11, 12000, 6


There should be a sticker on the timing cover that indicates which resistor is currently fitted. Timing advance should be fixed using a jumper in the monitor coupler before checking timing. It is possible to fit a variable resistor in place of the fixed resistor.

Edit: My apologies for the formatting - it looks OK in the editor.

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20 Feb 2014 15:23 - 20 Feb 2014 15:37 #105292 by blitzn
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Another way you can do it with the G Series engines is to slightly drill out the 3 allocation/mounting holes bigger for the Cam Sensor Housing. I put the G16a in my Jimny and still wasnt happy with it running at 10 degrees. Drilled out these holes a couple of mm bigger and it allows you to rotate the cam sensor like a distributor. Put a timing light on and you are good to go. Think the most i could get was 13-14 degrees However. It made the world of difference in performance.

If i remember right you could only drill a couple of mm bigger before hitting the o'ring seal. Still enough to slightly rotate the cam sensor housing enough to bump up (or down) the timing a little.

Still Rhinoman's way is best.
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21 Feb 2014 20:59 #105467 by gus2000
gus2000 replied the topic: Adjusting the ignition timing
Hello, the timing correction is very interesting.

whereas gasoline that the engine G13BB was designed differs substantially from that used currently

in joint work with carlos (carlos hma from chile) experimentally determine the optimum ignition point

Factory ignition point



Carlos hma replaces the original fixed resistor for a variable resistor (lineal 20kohm)






And the ignition timing is adjusted while driving :)

Found the ignition point works best satisfies us, we replace the variable resistor for a fixed one.

Cheers

Gustavo

Gustavo LU2HC - Rio Cuarto (Argentina)
Jimny 1999 SOHC

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22 Feb 2014 03:36 - 22 Feb 2014 03:50 #105489 by Yellostreak
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Rhinoman wrote:
There should be a sticker on the timing cover that indicates which resistor is currently fitted. Timing advance should be fixed using a jumper in the monitor coupler before checking timing. It is possible to fit a variable resistor in place of the fixed resistor..


would say there is no reason why you could not fit a 10k 25 turn pot/trimmer to replace the resistor that's fitted.. something like this:

LINK

The manual say s the ignition resistor is behind the glovebox but have you got a photo of where the sticker is as I cannot see one on mine :(

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22 Feb 2014 11:18 - 22 Feb 2014 11:20 #105503 by gus2000
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Resistor in my jimny. (LHD)



Marked with number 2

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22 Feb 2014 12:03 - 22 Feb 2014 12:13 #105507 by Rhinoman
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You could use a variable resistor like that one, the CO adjusters fitted on General market models are just that mounted to a connector. This one is from a Swift:




There should be a sticker on the timing cover like this one (borrowed from the net):




You need to be cautious when experimenting with the timing but if it hasn't been checked then there could be gains in power and economy from getting it set to the stock settings.

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24 Feb 2014 12:49 #105823 by Benjiboi
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How do you know what number resistor to get or do you just keep trying until it feels better?

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24 Feb 2014 13:20 #105828 by Rhinoman
Rhinoman replied the topic: Adjusting the ignition timing
You need to check the timing and then note how far out it is. If it is, for example, -2 degs then you should check the resistor currently fitted, if its a 2 degree resistor then you need a +4 degree resistor.

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04 Apr 2017 07:43 #179898 by Blackie
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Can someone please confirm for me, is this the Timing Trim Resistor?
it has number 4 on it.
After bridging the monitor coupler and using a timing light, I got the figure of "0" TDC.
Can someone please shed some light on which resistor I need to purchase to get my timing back to stock "5 BTDC".
also where to purchase from. I live Adelaide South Australia

Thankyou
Blackie

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06 Apr 2017 20:22 - 06 Apr 2017 20:26 #179988 by Rhinoman
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As far as I can tell you need to add 5 degrees to the timing, you already have a 4 which is -2 degrees so you would need a +3 degree which would be an '8'. The difference should be quite noticeable.
You could pick up a 2k2 1/2W resistor and connect it using spade terminals to test that, it would be a cheap test.

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07 Apr 2017 10:40 #180020 by OllieNZ
OllieNZ replied the topic: Re:RE: Adjusting the ignition timing

Rhinoman wrote: As far as I can tell you need to add 5 degrees to the timing, you already have a 4 which is -2 degrees so you would need a +3 degree which would be an '8'. The difference should be quite noticeable.
You could pick up a 2k2 1/2W resistor and connect it using spade terminals to test that, it would be a cheap test.

What wattage variable resistor would you recommend for testing purposes?

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07 Apr 2017 10:59 #180021 by Rhinoman
Rhinoman replied the topic: Re:RE: Adjusting the ignition timing
1/2 watt would be more than sufficient. If my memory is to be relied upon then the value of the resistor is only read at key on so you can't adjust it on the fly.

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