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11 Oct 2017 16:19 #185099 by helijohn
helijohn created the topic: Over sensitive
Had an MoT done today and watched as he was poking with a long rod (to my mind a bit to eagerly) at the bodywork just on the forward edge of the rear wheel arches, So it failed on rust and I can't remember if they are allowed to poke with a tool.

The pic doesn't show it well.
It is not a big hole and may be about a foot from a seat belt mount. The other side is not nearly such a big hole

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11 Oct 2017 17:09 #185100 by mlines
mlines replied the topic: Re:Over sensitive
Is it near a body mount?

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11 Oct 2017 17:47 #185101 by shakennstirred
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Cant see anything in the pic lol

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11 Oct 2017 18:38 #185103 by MadsV
MadsV replied the topic: Re:Over sensitive
If thats a fault in the uk, they are very strict. The easy way is to cut it clean, glue in a peace of steel and put some underbody sealant or something other rust preventive on. Its not dangerous rust so i dont understand why they put a fault on it

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11 Oct 2017 19:26 #185109 by 11/60
11/60 replied the topic: Re:Over sensitive
Anything that constitutes a perforation of the body within 30 cm of a body mounting even if it is essentially a separate structure is classed as grounds for refusal.

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11 Oct 2017 19:30 - 11 Oct 2017 19:36 #185110 by Busta
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Are you saying it wasn't rusty or wasn't within 30cm of a body or seatbelt mount? You can't poke a rod through steel that isn't rusty, and although I can't tell exactly from the picture it looks like it's close to the body and seatbelt mounts.

Just re-read your post. Yes they are allowed to poke with a tool. Otherwise people would just underseal over everything and they'd never know.

Standard rust. Custom dents. 1-of-a-kind scratches.
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11 Oct 2017 19:38 #185112 by helijohn
helijohn replied the topic: Re:Over sensitive

11/60 wrote: Anything that constitutes a perforation of the body within 30 cm of a body mounting even if it is essentially a separate structure is classed as grounds for refusal.


Thing is it was not perforated till he poked it through. I was watching him on the CCTV really poking at it. I'll be checking how near to a body mount or belt mount it is later.

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11 Oct 2017 22:53 #185120 by Keithy
Keithy replied the topic: Over sensitive
The ministry approved assessment tool is a tiny aluminium handled nylon headed hammer....pretty harmless.....better with a 3 foot heel and toe bar and have at it.... :D

It's within 12" of the body mount so it's a fail.....you have to wonder why the tester was so determined to make a hole......time to weld your rust bucket up....it's a wonder you survived the journey to the test station it being so excessively corroded.....did you trailer it home due to the risks?

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12 Oct 2017 05:43 #185121 by helijohn
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Keithy wrote: The ministry approved assessment tool is a tiny aluminium handled nylon headed hammer....pretty harmless...


Well this was a long reach bar. Hard to tell watching on the CCTV but I'd guess it was about a foot long and was like a jemmy used for opening wood boxes.................basically a tyre lever. The sort used for checking play in steering joints. It would be almost impossible to get a little hammer into that area; it needed a long pointy tool.
Looked like this

The hole he made is about 2" diameter. He had a go at the other side but could only make a hole the size of a thimble.
I made a flippant comment to the "boss" that it's about time to scrap it - local Ford are doing a deal on scrappage (but no way can I afford the other £10K needed for a new car) - and he said "it is way too good to scrap it..........nowhere near as bad as some of the rot boxes he gets in". That was the point I was trying to make. :dry:
I have no intention of scrapping it. My previous MoT garage that I have been with for 20 years has always said it is built like a tank and as long as I keep on top of maintenance should go on for years and it is already 25 years old!
You see my thinking is that this is a garage that looks for business. I shall take off the arch extensions myself so I can see the real situation. I have had Vitaras where i have taken off the plastic on the sills to find almost nothing underneath thanks to the tinworm. Also it means I can see any welding that they do if I decide not to weld myself and I can put Hammerite on the work to protect it before I put the arches back.
I have just moved house and being a 150 mile move it has been chaos so work I would normally do myself I can't easily do just yet but I need to get it done to get the MoT ticket.:S
However, if I can get scrappage of about £3K and the new Jimny is like the pics show then I might be tempted.;) ;)

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12 Oct 2017 06:16 #185122 by 11/60
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Unfortunately because so many mot stations are part of a larger garage carrying out vehicle repairs it is inevitable that some will be determined to uee the test as a means of generating additional repair revenue. Finding an affordable and realistic tester is not easy. There is always the recourse to the council run station but they are always full price and busy.

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12 Oct 2017 06:25 #185123 by helijohn
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11/60 wrote: Unfortunately because so many mot stations are part of a larger garage carrying out vehicle repairs it is inevitable that some will be determined to use the test as a means of generating additional repair revenue. Finding an affordable and realistic tester is not easy. There is always the recourse to the council run station but they are always full price and busy.


Yes, I agree. The last MoT place took me years to find and once I found them I stuck with them for all my motors. I knew the owner and his philosophy was that other places charge less but make up for it in finding jobs to do. Having just moved I was at the mercy of the Gods. I was tempted to drive 150 miles to get it done but that would have cost £100 in diesel and a day. Maybe when I am more au fait with the area I can sort out a better place.
As for Gov. test stations, the nearest is a good distance away and it is the same problem........time. At the moment time is needed to sort out the house which itself is keeping me very very busy.

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12 Oct 2017 12:52 #185129 by Keithy
Keithy replied the topic: Re:Over sensitive

MadsV wrote: If thats a fault in the uk, they are very strict. The easy way is to cut it clean, glue in a peace of steel and put some underbody sealant or something other rust preventive on. Its not dangerous rust so i dont understand why they put a fault on it

It gets worse Mads.....you're not allowed to underseal your welding until it's passed the test....stops people from tacking steel on and covering it up.......we call that seem welding....it just seems as if it's welded.....your bonded boot floor would fail the test here as an aside.....for the most part I can live with the MOT regulations here.....As a former MOT tester I've seen quite a few dodgy repairs.....and dodgy testers.

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