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16 Mar 2017 05:24 #179282 by Lambert
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Hi all. As I have said in the past my brake pedal can feel a little mushy at times. Every component has been either replaced of overhauled and adjusted to spec. But if I were to get rear discs would I really notice a day and night difference in pedal feel as opposed to actual retardation? Many thanks.

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16 Mar 2017 19:35 #179298 by Keithy
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If your antique drum system is set correctly I'll venture to say you would notice no difference.

After a water crossing is the only time I notice any difference....as I still have rear brakes :D
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16 Mar 2017 20:16 #179300 by Lambert
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Hmm so either there is an as yet undiagnosed issue with my braking system or its as good as it gets, but putting money to rear discs could be an expensive way of determining that the drums are not responsible for the odd pedal feel. Right back to the drawing board.

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16 Mar 2017 21:12 #179307 by 1066Boy
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Mine is much the same. Brakes are in good order, braded brake lines, fresh fluid and bled several times.
The brakes work ok, passed the mot no problem but the pedal travel is more than Kate's Jimny and not as sharp.
Only thing I have not changed is the servo.

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16 Mar 2017 21:34 #179308 by kirkynut
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I think it's what comes with old age! My Jimny's brakes work fine but even with new shoes adjusted to within an inch of their life, new pads and a good bleed, they are not firm like newer Jimny's.

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17 Mar 2017 07:02 #179312 by 1066Boy
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Would a new servo improve the peddle travel/feel ?

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17 Mar 2017 08:29 #179316 by Busta
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A bigger servo will increase the brake assistance and make the brakes feel like they are sharper. It won't make the brakes any more effective or alter pedal travel.

A bigger master cylinder will reduce pedal travel, making the brakes feel firmer. It will reduce braking power, requiring more force to achieve the same level of braking.

A combination of a bigger servo and master cylinder will make the brakes feel very 'modern' and direct, and should retain close to normal braking power.

How a disc brake conversion affects the brakes depends mainly on the volume of the pistons. This affects how much pedal travel is needed to apply the brakes and the front/rear braking bias. Get it wrong and you may have too much braking power at the rear, making the car unstable under heavy braking and liable to spin.

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17 Mar 2017 08:33 - 17 Mar 2017 08:34 #179317 by Busta
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11/60, if your brake pedal only occasionally feels mushy then there is a problem somewhere. Could be a caliper starting to bind, could be a wheel bearing, could be detritus in the rear drums.
Brakes should feel much the same all the time, right up to the point where the pads overheat or the fluid boils.
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17 Mar 2017 11:00 #179321 by Keithy
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Busta wrote: 11/60, if your brake pedal only occasionally feels mushy then there is a problem somewhere. Could be a caliper starting to bind, could be a wheel bearing, could be detritus in the rear drums.
Brakes should feel much the same all the time, right up to the point where the pads overheat or the fluid boils.

11/60 possibly flexes the front stub axles pushing the pistons back with the discs when cornering...on a private track of course!

One thing which can affect the pedal feel over time is the rod which contacts the master cylinder from the servo can wear......be careful adjusting it.....if it even can be on a Jimny.

I have a master cylinder to fit to mine so I'll find out at that point if it has adjustment.....possibly only the main dealer would be able to find out the actual setting.

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17 Mar 2017 12:19 #179322 by yakuza
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Brake parts are not so expencive and when we service our own cars we save so much money that most of us can easily buy new parts more often. Generally..

When changing to disc brakes it is difficult to get the proportioning right between front and rear. Some use valves that constricts the flow to the rear brakes to adjust it.
For my SJ i have plans to use a master cylinder from a impreza WRC. According to "the interwebs" it should fit and do the job properly when converting to disc brakes. Not sure what size calipers it actually has been designed for but i will look into this before building. I guess if you pick parts together that have roughly the same sizes between them and they where designed for, it could come out correct in the end.
Likewise if you start playing with this you really should be knowing what you are doing..

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17 Mar 2017 12:47 #179323 by Keithy
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yakuza wrote: Brake parts are not so expencive and when we service our own cars we save so much money that most of us can easily buy new parts more often. Generally..

When changing to disc brakes it is difficult to get the proportioning right between front and rear. Some use valves that constricts the flow to the rear brakes to adjust it.
For my SJ i have plans to use a master cylinder from a impreza WRC. According to "the interwebs" it should fit and do the job properly when converting to disc brakes. Not sure what size calipers it actually has been designed for but i will look into this before building. I guess if you pick parts together that have roughly the same sizes between them and they where designed for, it could come out correct in the end.
Likewise if you start playing with this you really should be knowing what you are doing..

Exactly So the WRC more than likely has 4 pot callipers same as the ones I have from a WRX..which are simply so huge as to not fit inside a 15" rim.... My point is that you won't find a new dual circuit master cylinder to fit and proportion the brakes correctly.

You'll need 2 master cylinders and an adjustable balance between the two to do it correctly.....or just fit discs on the rear and the existing brake proportioning valve will do a splendid job! :D

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17 Mar 2017 19:08 #179327 by Lambert
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Keithy wrote:

Busta wrote: 11/60, if your brake pedal only occasionally feels mushy then there is a problem somewhere. Could be a caliper starting to bind, could be a wheel bearing, could be detritus in the rear drums.
Brakes should feel much the same all the time, right up to the point where the pads overheat or the fluid boils.

11/60 possibly flexes the front stub axles pushing the pistons back with the discs when cornering...on a private track of course!

One thing which can affect the pedal feel over time is the rod which contacts the master cylinder from the servo can wear......be careful adjusting it.....if it even can be on a Jimny.

I have a master cylinder to fit to mine so I'll find out at that point if it has adjustment.....possibly only the main dealer would be able to find out the actual setting.


I wouldn't go that far, just cos it has racing slicks doesn't mean I drive it everywhere on two wheels!

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