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01 Aug 2021 13:37 #237221 by lightning
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Yep, that's about the way of things.

Get a good Defender and it will be fine, Trouble is, most are now at least 15 years old, sometimes double that.
ln that time they've usually had about ten owners, been used and abused, often not looked after and rarely serviced, probably stolen recovered twice, washed once a year if they are lucky, and then people say that their recently purchased Defender "keeps giving trouble"

l've had five Defenders, the newest a 2006, and done about 200,000 miles
l only ever had to call the RAC once, for a failed alternator.
And it wasn't recovered, we made it to my local LR specialist with a booster pack attached.

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01 Aug 2021 13:59 #237222 by Gadget
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But you still end up with a car which is noisy, leaky, cramped and uncomfy. Unless you need to tow a lot, I can't think of any reason that I'd want a Defender over a Jimny.

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01 Aug 2021 14:45 #237223 by lightning
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lt's true the Jimny is like a Defender but much more refined and quieter.
ln fact it's made me start looking at the Jeep Wrangler as a possible replacement for the Defender.

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01 Aug 2021 18:49 #237234 by Roger Fairclough
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I have always liked the concept of the Defender but the build quality the poor seating position and the poor choice of fittings has put me off. The towing capacity of 3.5 ton was a requirement of the British Army so Land Rover said it could and that was that.

Roger

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01 Aug 2021 20:44 - 01 Aug 2021 20:46 #237240 by lightning
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The phrase "poor build quality" does make me laugh.

Most Defenders have had the kind of use that would see other vehicles long ago recycled into baked bean cans.

I would replace "poor build quality" with "lack of investment by Land Rover"
The Defender was not given the investment it deserved, by the end of production it should have been a larger Gen 4 Jimny.

Despite this, get a good one that hasn't been thrashed round a quarry every weekend/spent a decade towing an Ifor Williams full of sheep across a field/launched boats into the sea all Summer at a caravan park and it can be a reliable companion.

Mine certainly has. But they need regular love and maintenance, unlike a modern car that can survive quite happily on one service a year if it's lucky and a trip to the drive through car wash twice a month.
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05 Aug 2021 07:55 #237316 by Busta
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I'd never buy a Defender myself. We've had a few, both new and used. All have had their fair share of problems. Chassis needing welding for the first MOT was a good one. Gearbox output shafts breaking, drive flanges wearing out, many driveshafts UJs replaced, CV joints, corroded wiring harnesses, door trims pulling off, ignition barrels wearing out. And that's ignoring the other stuff like they are terrible to drive, the heaters are terrible, the stereos are terrible, the wipers are terrible, the steering wheel is huge, they all jump out of low range, the seat bases wear out, the floor mats wear out, the door catches wear out, they rattle, they are slow, they are uneconomical. I could go on. It's a poor design built badly with cheap materials. There is no excusing that.

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05 Aug 2021 09:14 #237317 by DJ20
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Defenders...you either love them or hate them.

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05 Aug 2021 10:06 #237319 by Bob1050
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Well the Suzuki Jimny and Defender have a few things in common that includes maintaining high residual values - which makes me as an owner a rather happy chappy. As for Land Rover Defenders, they also have their fans, many of whom seem happy to turn a 'blind eye' to their shocking build quality, awful reliability and in my experience - dreadful after sales service.

As my Jimny approaches its 3rd birthday I'm struggling to decide whether to MOT it and keep it for another year - or see if I really can achieve a good price for it. The other issue for me is - if I sell the Jimny what do I fancy as a replacement vehicle?

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05 Aug 2021 12:23 - 05 Aug 2021 16:48 #237324 by lightning
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I'd never buy a Defender myself. We've had a few, both new and used. All have had their fair share of problems. Chassis needing welding for the first MOT was a good one. Gearbox output shafts breaking, drive flanges wearing out, many driveshafts UJs replaced, CV joints, corroded wiring harnesses, door trims pulling off, ignition barrels wearing out. And that's ignoring the other stuff like they are terrible to drive, the heaters are terrible, the stereos are terrible, the wipers are terrible, the steering wheel is huge, they all jump out of low range, the seat bases wear out, the floor mats wear out, the door catches wear out, they rattle, they are slow, they are uneconomical. I could go on. It's a poor design built badly with cheap materials. There is no excusing that.

Should l take this from the top? most of it is open to argument !!
Although l would refer to my previous post and say that if your Land Rover jumped out of low range it's not been a well looked after example.
None of mine have ever "jumped out of low range" Most issues are due to poor maintenance 

Defenders are effectively a classic car, so on purchase it was wise to get the chassis waxoyled and also generally look after it, doing nothing but tossing it at a dealer once a year for a service was always asking for trouble.

Not sure how you would wear out a seat base, mine tend to last around 80,000 miles before
cracks appear on the side of the bolster.
And of course, they are only £60 to replace and take around 30 seconds to swap out.

I would say it's technically impossible for the chassis to need structural welding after three years, unless you worked the vehicle down a salt mine or parked it in a river every night. Untreated, the chassis starts to go at around 15 years.
Drive shaft flanges can wear out, but will last 100,000 miles with a bit of grease every time you change the brake pads.
And they are less than £20 each.

Not sure about "corroded wiring harnesses" never had or heard of that.
Door trims pulling off, well they are pretty secure as standard but people yank them off and break the trim buttons
on the door card, then they don't fit securely. There is a simple repair using a
type of flat headed screw that avoids having to fit a new door card.

Drive shaft U/Js don't fail unless they are never greased (classic car remember) do it every other service and you'll never change one. 
l haven't in 200,000 miles.
lgnition barrels, l've replaced one due to the spring failing, never had one "wear out" though.
Floor mats wear out? You mean the rubber floor mats? Mine are on 131,000 and still good. lf it's the carpet floor mats l can't say l've noticed any excessive wear, obviously after 15 years 4x4 use they might be past their best though.
Never replaced a door catch
Slow? Some are but any with a turbo are at least as good as a Jimny and can be transformed with a remap.
Economy? Well, my 110 does 26-28mpg.
The old V8 was a bit of a beast at 14mpg.
My Transit Connect Van only managed around 32mpg 

Land Rover designed the Defender as a utility and farm vehicle. For those who thought it was too basic to use as a road car they brought out a solution, it was called "Discovery"

Poor design built badly with cheap materials? Not a poor design if you use it for what it was designed to do.
As for "badly made" l will submit the following link.




 
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05 Aug 2021 16:49 #237332 by lightning

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05 Aug 2021 21:05 #237337 by Busta
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Defenders are effectively a classic car

I rest my case.

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06 Aug 2021 06:23 - 06 Aug 2021 13:45 #237341 by lightning
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Some days l love my Defender and some days find me looking online at late model Jeep Wranglers for sale.

lg only Land Rover had continued to invest in Defender, it would now be effectively a larger Jimny, and they'd have a world beater on their hands.

Look at how Jimny is selling, even at £25-30,000. It shows that you can refine a live axle 4x4 so it's a viable alternative to the legions of SUV's available today.

The new Defender is a great SUV but it's too expensive and it's got 83 microprocessors in it, best of luck with that when it gets old or LR stop supporting the software.
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