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New to this - lifting Jimny and towing
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20 Oct 2020 13:59 #229315
by simonch
New to this - lifting Jimny and towing was created by simonch
hey guys,
i’m new to this and just bought my first Jimny. i’m getting Cooper AT’s fitted to her.
i’d quite like to lift by 2”. it will act as my second car and my current 2nd car does about 1k miles a year. i’ll be using it to launch and recover a boat on sand which is on the towing limit for the car (well a couple of hundred KG below it).
my question is what springs should I use and will the car handle ok towing with a lift kit?
i like the look of the extra lift, and i like the idea of the extra clearance when launching/recovering the boat also.
cheers,
Si
i’m new to this and just bought my first Jimny. i’m getting Cooper AT’s fitted to her.
i’d quite like to lift by 2”. it will act as my second car and my current 2nd car does about 1k miles a year. i’ll be using it to launch and recover a boat on sand which is on the towing limit for the car (well a couple of hundred KG below it).
my question is what springs should I use and will the car handle ok towing with a lift kit?
i like the look of the extra lift, and i like the idea of the extra clearance when launching/recovering the boat also.
cheers,
Si
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20 Oct 2020 15:09 - 20 Oct 2020 15:19 #229316
by Scimike
Yokohama Geolanders, Sony head unit, NAUTILUS Air Horn, DRL conversion, Rear cargo space, Elvis Bobblehead, transfer Guard, Indian hanging Elephant, Koni Heavy track dampers, Custom SS exhaust, Voodoo Doll, Adventure Rack with LED ight bar, vintage ERIBA caravan usually attached (yes it's slow)
Replied by Scimike on topic New to this - lifting Jimny and towing
Hi and Welcome to the world of Jimny.
Cant really comment on how a lifted car will tow, but in standard form its fine. I tow about 750kg on a regular basis and Lambert tows a little more (sometimes a lot more).
In both configurations dampers are the components that do most of the work, so quantity dampers are a must, lifted or not. So I would focus on the dampers supplied with the kit rather than the springs, but pick a reputable known make .
Cant really comment on how a lifted car will tow, but in standard form its fine. I tow about 750kg on a regular basis and Lambert tows a little more (sometimes a lot more).
In both configurations dampers are the components that do most of the work, so quantity dampers are a must, lifted or not. So I would focus on the dampers supplied with the kit rather than the springs, but pick a reputable known make .
Yokohama Geolanders, Sony head unit, NAUTILUS Air Horn, DRL conversion, Rear cargo space, Elvis Bobblehead, transfer Guard, Indian hanging Elephant, Koni Heavy track dampers, Custom SS exhaust, Voodoo Doll, Adventure Rack with LED ight bar, vintage ERIBA caravan usually attached (yes it's slow)
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20 Oct 2020 15:31 #229317
by mlines
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2003 M13 early KAP build.
3" Trailmaster lift with 1.5 Spacers on front
Customised winch bumper and roll cage
235/85R16 Maxxis Bighorns on 16" Rims, 4:1 Rocklobster, Rear ARB locker and on-board air
Corrected arms all-round, rear disks, Recaro seats and harnesses
Replied by mlines on topic New to this - lifting Jimny and towing
You don't mention if you are going to tow on the road? Is it just going to be on sand?
If its road towing then watch out for the gross weight when you are going on a days boating. We know from weighbridge data that our 1,760kg boat actually weights 2,260kg when with fuel etc on board. Add on our 700kg trailer and we are at 2,960kg before we know it (no - we dont tow with a Jimny!)
If you go for a lift you may need a drop plate on the hitch to stop the hitch being too high.
If its road towing then watch out for the gross weight when you are going on a days boating. We know from weighbridge data that our 1,760kg boat actually weights 2,260kg when with fuel etc on board. Add on our 700kg trailer and we are at 2,960kg before we know it (no - we dont tow with a Jimny!)
If you go for a lift you may need a drop plate on the hitch to stop the hitch being too high.
Martin
2003 M13 early KAP build.
3" Trailmaster lift with 1.5 Spacers on front
Customised winch bumper and roll cage
235/85R16 Maxxis Bighorns on 16" Rims, 4:1 Rocklobster, Rear ARB locker and on-board air
Corrected arms all-round, rear disks, Recaro seats and harnesses
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20 Oct 2020 16:52 #229319
by Lambert
Temeraire (2018 quasar grey automatic)
One of the last 200ish of the gen3s, probably.
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Replied by Lambert on topic New to this - lifting Jimny and towing
Welcome to the forum. As has been said I do a lot of towing with my gen3 and have kept the standard height to the suspension because of it. It means, as said by Martin, that the towbar is at the correct height for the trailer and given that towbars are covered by type approval just fitting a drop plate may not be legally possible if the bar was not designed to accommodate such. Also as Mike said the dampers are by far the most important thing after sensible tyres when setting up for towing. You don't mention if the trailer is single or twin axle which affects how sensitive the trailer is to the height of the vehicle. Also you don't mention what kind of incline the sand is going to be, a long drag on nearly flat compacted sand is different to a short but relatively steep climb in soft deep sand.
Temeraire (2018 quasar grey automatic)
One of the last 200ish of the gen3s, probably.
ADOS Attention Deficit Ooooh Shiny!
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20 Oct 2020 16:55 #229320
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Replied by simonch on topic New to this - lifting Jimny and towing
thanks for the quick responses.
there’s around a 5 mile tow on road. the sand isn’t too steep and is mainly compacted although can be loose under certain conditions. My x-trail handles it no bother on road tyres
single axle trailer
there’s around a 5 mile tow on road. the sand isn’t too steep and is mainly compacted although can be loose under certain conditions. My x-trail handles it no bother on road tyres
single axle trailer
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20 Oct 2020 18:14 #229322
by DrRobin
2020 blue SZ5 (one of the last to be registered in the UK)
Ex 2011 Blue Jimny SZ4
Northumberland Jimny Blog
Replied by DrRobin on topic New to this - lifting Jimny and towing
Does your trailer have brakes? If not the weight limit is much lower, see below
With brakes 1,300 kg
Without brakes 350 kg.
Not a problem exceeding the 350 kg without trailer brakes unless going downhill, but if on the road and you get stopped you might get in to trouble.
I tow my boat up a slipway and in to the boat park (no trailer brakes) and it probably weighs around 500 kg, but then with someone stood on the front you can add another 75 kg. I bet I am well over nose weight as well.
With brakes 1,300 kg
Without brakes 350 kg.
Not a problem exceeding the 350 kg without trailer brakes unless going downhill, but if on the road and you get stopped you might get in to trouble.
I tow my boat up a slipway and in to the boat park (no trailer brakes) and it probably weighs around 500 kg, but then with someone stood on the front you can add another 75 kg. I bet I am well over nose weight as well.
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20 Oct 2020 18:19 #229323
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yea the trailer is braked!
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20 Oct 2020 18:24 #229324
by Busta
Replied by Busta on topic New to this - lifting Jimny and towing
I do lots of towing with my Jimny, much of it on soft ground. The Jimny is a very capable tow car given it's size and weight but I can't see a lift being an advantage in any way, especially if you've been using an Xtrail up until now.
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20 Oct 2020 21:56 #229328
by DrRobin
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Replied by DrRobin on topic New to this - lifting Jimny and towing
Good that it is braked. In that case I can’t really see any problem with the extra lift, I can’t really see it would make any difference.
Just take it steady the first couple of times and watch out for anything unusual.
Just take it steady the first couple of times and watch out for anything unusual.
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21 Oct 2020 04:26 #229333
by Lambert
Temeraire (2018 quasar grey automatic)
One of the last 200ish of the gen3s, probably.
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Replied by Lambert on topic New to this - lifting Jimny and towing
Not sure I agree with you there. As I said earlier towbar heights are covered by type approval which is set for a standard vehicle. The vast majority of towbars are not approved for use with a drop down plate the obvious exception being some of the commercial 4x4 pickups but then not all of them. Anyway not being able to legally use a drop plate means that by lifting the vehicle the trailer is going to almost certainly have at best a level aspect or more likely a nose up aspect. Neither of these are particularly good for stability with a single axle trailer though level is obviously better. The issue comes because little or negative implied load on the towball seriously upsets the stability of the towing vehicle. In a rear wheel drive, like a Jimny, it reduces traction to the drive wheels and under braking, as the front of the car dips a nose up trailer tries to lift the back of the car even higher which causes a jack knife. Like I said level is better but best is a slight nose down aspect that way the trailer is predictable. The other problem with lifting the suspension is that if done properly a suspension lift will increase the availability of movement the suspended mass of the vehicle has, meaning that it will roll and pitch more than standard and will be more affected by the movement of a trailer. Obviously the above is contingent on the relationship between the mass of the trailer and the tow car, a little tip run trailer at 250kg isn't going to be noticeable on a Jimny but a loaded boat and trailer up over 1000kg is going to be very noticeable.
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