BigJimnyMeet (North) 2024 (12 Jan 2024)
14th July 2024
Parkwood Nr. Leeds
Click HERE for details
Suppliers/Dealers or anyone selling with a commercial view in mind CANNOT post here unless responding to a specific request of a member in a "wanted" post.
Suppliers include people "breaking for spares" on a regular basis, when purchasing spares members should ask a supplier what they contribute to the running of the forum particularly if contacted by a Private Message
Suppliers or Members who have contributed to the forum can be identifed by the logo.
Ironman4x4 front bumper/bullbar - 4th Gen
However, since 25 May 2007, it has been an offence for bull bars that have not been approved as compliant with those safety standards to be sold
The words being "to be sold"
So selling them is the offence, not buying them. Hence I don't sell them. It does not seem to stop people buying them.
Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk
Martin
2003 M13 early KAP build.
3" Trailmaster lift with 1.5 Spacers on front
Customised winch bumper and roll cage
235/85R16 Maxxis Bighorns on 16" Rims, 4:1 Rocklobster, Rear ARB locker and on-board air
Corrected arms all-round, rear disks, Recaro seats and harnesses
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- Bill Portland
- Offline
- Platinum Member
-
Registered
- Posts: 366
- Thank you received: 77
- Points: 2343.00
Utter nonsense? Really? What part of what I said isn't true?300bhpton wrote:
Utter nonsense. If you truly believed that, then you wouldn't have a 4x4 or think buses, lorries and vans should be on the road either.Bill Portland wrote: Automotive engineers go to incredible lengths to design in safety features such as crumple zones and, particularly, pedestrian friendly and life saving soft and rounded plastic bits. Anything that prevents these designs working effectively shouldn't be on the road imho.
Over recent decades, vehicle design (including 4x4, buses, lorries and vans) is based on the premise that the protection of human occupants and other road users takes precedence over protecting the vehicle itself. What you're proposing is contrary to that premise. I fail to see any connection between this and "driving the farm tractors through the village" other than both being undesirable. One may be a necessity, the other certainly isn't. And yes, there are lots of vehicles on the road that have varying compliance with modern safety standards, that doesn't mean we should take ones that do comply and make them worse.
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- Posts: 311
- Thank you received: 96
- Points: 2221.00
The general consensus seems to be that it's not recommended, do so at your own risk i.e insurance/police in the event of an accident. The risk is slightly greater than installing aftermarket HID headlights or installing a lift kit..
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- Posts: 916
- Thank you received: 167
- Points: 5234.00
DAGZOOK wrote: "There are no plans for legislation to require bull bars that are already fitted to be removed. However, since 25 May 2007, it has been an offence for bull bars that have not been approved as compliant with those safety standards to be sold. Approved devices will carry an indelible ‘e’ mark (for example: e1 01 1471)."
As above, there's noting wrong with OE equipment protective bull bars fitted. (I think the genuine defender bull/winch bar has An outer foam/rubber lining?
But it's illegal to retrospectively install anything that isn't 'E' marked, You'd be changing the design intent of the vehicle which has been rigorously crash tested.
I haven't looked the actual regulation up to see the wording. However the link you posted:
www.gov.uk/government/publications/bull-bars/bull-bars
Is very specific in its wording. It does not say fitting a non E marked bullbar is illegal. It refers to the fact selling one is. Legally this would be a distinct difference.
e.g.
"since 25 May 2007, it has been an offence for bull bars that have not been approved as compliant with those safety standards to be sold"
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- Posts: 311
- Thank you received: 96
- Points: 2221.00
Not a risk I'd personally like to take, but I'm boring and cautious! each to their own.
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.