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Wheel/tyre rotation and TPMS (Gen4)

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02 May 2020 11:39 #221792 by Bill Portland

Lambert wrote: You're forgetting that modern cars are not designed for the owner to maintain but instead to generate work for the service department.


Very true Lambert, but both the dealers I spoke to (pre lockdown) weren't interested

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02 May 2020 12:09 #221793 by Bob1050
This thread worries me - Why does Suzuki take an inconsistent approach to TPMS on the same model of car (Jimny) and the same year of production (2019) for the same market (UK)? As I have previously posted - I have done the 5-tyre rotation twice now and reset the TPMS without any hassle whatsoever. I really feel for Bill, as he is only trying to follow recommended best practice and doesn't need or want hassle. If two Suzuki dealerships cannot be bothered to keep a customer happy - even more concerning.
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02 May 2020 12:30 - 02 May 2020 12:36 #221794 by Grima
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When I had BFG KO2 tyres fitted they took all 5 wheels off at once. The chances they put them back on in order is pretty slim. When I drove out of the garage the TPMS lit up on the dash with a loud peeping noise. After driving about 100m it went off. Drove to local Tesco petrol station & set all tyres to 28psi. Just been out & checked my spare has TPMS valve. Hope this helps.
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02 May 2020 13:34 #221796 by Lambert

Bill Portland wrote:

Lambert wrote: You're forgetting that modern cars are not designed for the owner to maintain but instead to generate work for the service department.


Very true Lambert, but both the dealers I spoke to (pre lockdown) weren't interested


Suzuki dealers are evidently a very hit and miss bunch. My two local ones are not so bad but having ventured further afield they seem to be very patchy. In my Subaru days though every time I had a dealer interaction I was always treated as a valuable customer.

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02 May 2020 15:10 #221805 by Bill Portland
@Bob1050 and @grima

It must have been your posts that I'd read and thanks for your comments above.
Do you think I've not done something I should've?
Maybe I was too impatient and should have waited longer? It was probably at leat 1/2 hour between test drives, maybe it took that long for the 1st change to register, and needed longer for the 2nd to register? That could explain why the spare seemed to be OK during the 2nd test run.

@Bob1050 - you mentioned "reset" in your post above, was that something physical that you did?

The valve stem on the spare looks identical to the other 4 valves. Is that an indicator that it has a sensor?

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02 May 2020 20:02 #221820 by Grima
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I am no teck head, like I said car jacked up 5 wheels off one guy each side, wheels dumped at tyre swop machine then left for mr wheel balance who put them back on in the wrong order.I watched them do this hoping they wouldn't damage the new alloy wheels, never thought about TPMS. When the car started screaming at me as I drove it out, I asked how much PSI did you put in they said plenty? in Polish. Like I said after 100m car said tyres OK.

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02 May 2020 20:29 - 02 May 2020 20:40 #221824 by mlines
The TPMS has two ways of working out what wheels are fitted and where.

The overall limit is 4 wheels which is internally set, therefore regardless of whether the spare is fitted with the sensor or not, you can only see the four wheels on the car.

Whenever a wheel is changed, moved around etc. The most reliable way of resetting the system is the manual way.

That is what I described. Force the system into learn mode and then walk around the car triggering the sensors. Because you have walked in a set pattern there is no further learning period and everything is set. This is the way recommended by Suzuki and the one dealers should do as it means the car owner sees any issues cleared when the car is taken away.

The second is the Automatic Way, this is what Bill was trying although the Suzuki guide recommends the manual method.. The Auto method where you simply let the car learn the tyres and sensors it has fitted automatically. This can take a while to settle down and can be erratic.

As documented elsewhere the automatic method is:

1. Turn off the ignition for AT LEAST 20 MINUTES.

2. Drive ABOVE 16MPH for AT LEAST 10 MINUTES. The system will relearn all the tyre IDs and their location.

The problem with the auto method is that if the sequence is interrupted it has to start again. Suzuki say that that includes the 20 minute ignition off. So it seems to be an unreliable method, although I believe that if you just keep on driving it will sort itself out.

(PS. In answer to my own question, I now know that if you have manually erased the codes but then not completed the sequence it will still complain and will relearn what it has fitted.)

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03 May 2020 06:27 #221826 by Paulei
Replied by Paulei on topic Re:Re:Wheel/tyre rotation and TPMS (Gen4)
Good morning friends!

Take a look to this:


www.bigjimny.com/index.php/forum/7-jimny...imny-and-tpms#206430

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03 May 2020 11:23 #221838 by Bill Portland
So I tried again this morning.

Started from scratch and moved all 5 wheels around the car.

Went for a drive. After about 10 minutes without dropping below 25mph the dash lit up with the "TPMS Service" warning and a couple of amber warning lights. Drove on for about 5 minutes to find somewhere to stop.

Stopped with engine and ignition off for 25 minutes.

Started up again and TPMS warning still on. Drove for another 10 minutes without stopping.

No difference, dashboard still lit up with amber warnings.

I guess I'm gonna have to make a trip to the dealer when they're open and have them reset the system.

Seems odd that some people can do it without any issue.

Getting punctures and subsequently changing wheels around on a 4x4 must be quite common. Why is it so difficult!

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03 May 2020 11:32 #221840 by mlines
Bill, this is why I expressed doubt in my original post about the auto update and promoted the manual way. The auto way works for some and not others. I have ordered a little reset tool to have a play and produce a video. Once I know I have a tool that lets me perform the proper manual process I will then play with the auto process

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Corrected arms all-round, rear disks, Recaro seats and harnesses

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03 May 2020 12:08 #221841 by Bob1050
I must have reset the TPMS 3 or 4 times now and it all seems to happen without any hassle - other than scrolling through the menu options on screen till you find the reset option. I normally check my tyre pressures (when cold), scroll through the menu options and head off down the local dual-carriageway at about 50mph and don't stop until system resets. I'd say the reset usually completes within 2 miles or maybe 3 miles at very most. I'm struggling to think if Bill is just missing a key action and what that might be? I can sense the frustration at what should be an easily completed activity.
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03 May 2020 12:33 - 03 May 2020 14:00 #221842 by Bill Portland
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Reset option? What reset option?
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