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Re:GEN 4 Wobble
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13 Oct 2019 21:17 #214720
by Max Headroom
IF IT AINT BROKE, KEEP FIXING IT UNTIL IT IS
Replied by Max Headroom on topic Re:GEN 4 Wobble
Wheel balancing.
If the gen4 is like the gen3 the wheels may be stud-centric and not hub-centric, meaning that the machine that balances the wheels may need an adapter so the wheel can be fitted to it by the studs and not by the hub hole.
Be aware not all tyre fitting places have that adapter - I've asked several local to me and they dont have it (but say they know where to borrow one).
If the wheels are stud-centric and have had tyres changed they may have been done wrong - just a thought...
Someone else here my be able to clarify the wheels on Gen4 being stud or hub centric.
If the gen4 is like the gen3 the wheels may be stud-centric and not hub-centric, meaning that the machine that balances the wheels may need an adapter so the wheel can be fitted to it by the studs and not by the hub hole.
Be aware not all tyre fitting places have that adapter - I've asked several local to me and they dont have it (but say they know where to borrow one).
If the wheels are stud-centric and have had tyres changed they may have been done wrong - just a thought...
Someone else here my be able to clarify the wheels on Gen4 being stud or hub centric.
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16 Jan 2020 18:18 #217309
by Micheal
Replied by Micheal on topic Re:GEN 4 Wobble
Hi folks, after a long delay I changed all the wheels from 215/75 R 15 fitted with Grabber tyres back to the original 195/80R 15 wheels with Bridgestone Dueler tyres
The car now drives like it should, no wobble. When I discussed this with the supplying dealer they were insistent it was the new wheels that were the problem, not balancing. They could not give me a coherent reason however.
So as things stand I have a surplus set of wheels, maybe take them to be balanced again at an independent tyre specialist but my local one can't balance these wheels due to the hub centres.
Anyone else run these wheel/tyre combinations and if so any issues?
Thanks
The car now drives like it should, no wobble. When I discussed this with the supplying dealer they were insistent it was the new wheels that were the problem, not balancing. They could not give me a coherent reason however.
So as things stand I have a surplus set of wheels, maybe take them to be balanced again at an independent tyre specialist but my local one can't balance these wheels due to the hub centres.
Anyone else run these wheel/tyre combinations and if so any issues?
Thanks
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16 Jan 2020 21:47 - 16 Jan 2020 21:48 #217317
by Scimike
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Replied by Scimike on topic Re:GEN 4 Wobble
Got to be worth trying to get them balanced again. It only cost £15 to get all five balanced after I had the alloys refurbished, so not a big investment.
I did once have a Reliant Scimitar GTE that was impossible to stop the steering shake, no end of balancing improved the situation. It turned out to be the different tyre makes on the same axle, I assume the different tread patterns were fighting each other at different speeds. Same make on same axle sorted the problem. Not your problem as they are the same make, but it does show how the tread pattern can have a big impact on how the vehicle drives, not just road noise.
Good luck sorting it.
Mike
I did once have a Reliant Scimitar GTE that was impossible to stop the steering shake, no end of balancing improved the situation. It turned out to be the different tyre makes on the same axle, I assume the different tread patterns were fighting each other at different speeds. Same make on same axle sorted the problem. Not your problem as they are the same make, but it does show how the tread pattern can have a big impact on how the vehicle drives, not just road noise.
Good luck sorting it.
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16 Jan 2020 22:26 #217319
by Micheal
Replied by Micheal on topic Re:GEN 4 Wobble
I will get them re-balanced thanks and see what difference that makes. I am still unclear why the dealer considers the wheel/tyre combination to be the cause of the problem rather than considering balancing.
While on, has anyone got a view on the jack supplied with the car? I found it impossible to raise the car high enough to get the wheels of the deck, especially rear wheels without sitting the jack on a piece of wood whereupon it fouls part of the underneath. It also takes an age to wind up and down. Can anyone recommend a decent jack for this vehicle? I wouldn't like to be using this on a roadside in the pouring rain and dark!
While on, has anyone got a view on the jack supplied with the car? I found it impossible to raise the car high enough to get the wheels of the deck, especially rear wheels without sitting the jack on a piece of wood whereupon it fouls part of the underneath. It also takes an age to wind up and down. Can anyone recommend a decent jack for this vehicle? I wouldn't like to be using this on a roadside in the pouring rain and dark!
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17 Jan 2020 05:05 #217322
by Lambert
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Replied by Lambert on topic Re:GEN 4 Wobble
Not all tyre places have one or are inclined to use it if they do but there is an adapter for balancing machines that allows the wheels to be bolted on with the actual bolt holes instead of the cone through the centre bore. This is the only accurate way to balance the wheels on a Jimny though some of the alloys can be got close enough with the cones most can't and all should be bolted on. It takes longer to do obviously and so most places will try to avoid it but be insistent and even offer to cover the extra cost as it is worth it to have the wheels correctly balanced. Alternatively you can get balance beads which are loose inside the tyre and spread out under rotation to dynamically balance the wheel in real time.
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17 Jan 2020 07:58 #217324
by OctaneJimny
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Replied by OctaneJimny on topic Re:GEN 4 Wobble
Hi!
I had the exact same problem on my gen4. I had some A/T tyres put on mine The incompetent tyre garage couldn't balance my rear wheels as they could get the centre caps off. The were trying to push them inwards rather than outwards. My car juddered/wobbled at 40mph. Even though it was my rear wheels it affected the front end of the car massively. Took it to a less incompetent garage who balanced them. Problem solved. Just don't do it around Xmas as I had a week of wobbling before they could get me in. Hope this helps.
I had the exact same problem on my gen4. I had some A/T tyres put on mine The incompetent tyre garage couldn't balance my rear wheels as they could get the centre caps off. The were trying to push them inwards rather than outwards. My car juddered/wobbled at 40mph. Even though it was my rear wheels it affected the front end of the car massively. Took it to a less incompetent garage who balanced them. Problem solved. Just don't do it around Xmas as I had a week of wobbling before they could get me in. Hope this helps.
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17 Jan 2020 16:56 #217347
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Replied by Grima on topic Re:GEN 4 Wobble
After finally finding some BFG K02 at a fair price (4519 production date). I collected them on the way home from work. I suddenly remembered a back street part worn tyre place I could pass on the way home, so I called in. After haggling a price they fitted the new tyres. Came home happy then read this DEATH WOBBLE. So on the way home today I went the long way on the motorway. Smooth as silk, thank god. I never use high street tyre places for that reason. Gen 4 195 80 15 tyres up for grabs 553miles + new spare.
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17 Jan 2020 17:07 #217348
by Micheal
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The Jimny was in for its first year service today and I talked to the mechanic who vaguely remembered the previous owner bringing the car in with the larger wheels fitted and complaining of a wobble at about 40-50mph. He said he 'did his best'to balance them and that was the last he heard of it. Clearly his best wasn't good enough!
Will need to find a similar back street tyre fitter!
Anyone have views on the Suzuki supplied jack?
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Will need to find a similar back street tyre fitter!
Anyone have views on the Suzuki supplied jack?
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17 Jan 2020 17:29 #217350
by Lambert
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Replied by Lambert on topic Re:GEN 4 Wobble
Do the gen4 jacks not still fit onto the little pip on the radius arm like the gen3?
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17 Jan 2020 17:32 #217352
by Riccy
a very big +1 for the balance beads.
Ive had issues with admittedly much larger tyres and balancing. The only way ive found that provides satisfactory results is the balance beads. They come in two flavours - plastic and ceramic. Ive tried both and must say that the ceramic ones are far better. They dont clump or wear the inside of the tyre, all while providing perfect wheel balance.
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Replied by Riccy on topic Re:GEN 4 Wobble
Lambert wrote: Not all tyre places have one or are inclined to use it if they do but there is an adapter for balancing machines that allows the wheels to be bolted on with the actual bolt holes instead of the cone through the centre bore. This is the only accurate way to balance the wheels on a Jimny though some of the alloys can be got close enough with the cones most can't and all should be bolted on. It takes longer to do obviously and so most places will try to avoid it but be insistent and even offer to cover the extra cost as it is worth it to have the wheels correctly balanced. Alternatively you can get balance beads which are loose inside the tyre and spread out under rotation to dynamically balance the wheel in real time.
a very big +1 for the balance beads.
Ive had issues with admittedly much larger tyres and balancing. The only way ive found that provides satisfactory results is the balance beads. They come in two flavours - plastic and ceramic. Ive tried both and must say that the ceramic ones are far better. They dont clump or wear the inside of the tyre, all while providing perfect wheel balance.
J999 MNY, ULYSSES M18 VVT with ITB's Dyno tested at 130hp
Pickup/tipper, R7me gearbox & 6.4 Rocklobster, 31" Toyo MT, 2x ARB air locker 3.9 diffs in braced axles, 6" total lift, Floating rear conversion, Raptor painted, CB, Recaro's, Caged, etc, etc...
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17 Jan 2020 17:44 #217354
by Micheal
Replied by Micheal on topic Re:GEN 4 Wobble
yes they do fit like that but I found the travel on the jack insufficient to raise the wheel of the ground, necessitating a lot of faffing around with bits of wood and then found when the jack was sitting high enough the diagonal arm would foul part of the underbody. I just wondered if this was just me or if anyone has replaced the jack with something more purposeful that would effect a swift wheel change in an emergency?
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17 Jan 2020 17:50 #217356
by mlines
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235/85R16 Maxxis Bighorns on 16" Rims, 4:1 Rocklobster, Rear ARB locker and on-board air
Corrected arms all-round, rear disks, Recaro seats and harnesses
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How do balancing beads co-exist with TPMS sensors?
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2003 M13 early KAP build.
3" Trailmaster lift with 1.5 Spacers on front
Customised winch bumper and roll cage
235/85R16 Maxxis Bighorns on 16" Rims, 4:1 Rocklobster, Rear ARB locker and on-board air
Corrected arms all-round, rear disks, Recaro seats and harnesses
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