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02 Sep 2019 20:04 #213020 by Gadget
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Yes, I'll be there :)
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02 Sep 2019 21:50 #213026 by G-imny
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Martin, you say you probably wouldn’t build it that way again in order to keep it lighter. what would you do without if you were to build another?

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03 Sep 2019 11:53 #213043 by mlines
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I would almost be inclined to put mud tyres on a standard jimny and leave it.

In a way, everything else could be considered as remediation for poor driving.

Rollcage = shouldn't have gone there in the first place
Winch = shouldn't have gone there in the first place
Metal bumpers = drive more carefully and not hit anything
Rock sliders - drive more carefully and not hit anything

I know this over-simplifies things and I have a fully prepped Jimny but I know I have been passed by standard Jimnys happily "floating" over the problem whilst mine flops into the mud and stays there.

My front bumper is way too heavy. It is modified on top of modified so weight has been added left right and centre. It was a basic KAP one without winch facilty. Winch was added by cutting and welding in more metal = more weight. Could go back to trimmed plastic with a hidden winch mount and lighter winch.

Rock sliders are heavy box section, could probably go for aluminium bar for lightness but strength.

Huge wheel mass, all done for looks and vanity :)

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3" Trailmaster lift with 1.5 Spacers on front
Customised winch bumper and roll cage
235/85R16 Maxxis Bighorns on 16" Rims, 4:1 Rocklobster, Rear ARB locker and on-board air
Corrected arms all-round, rear disks, Recaro seats and harnesses
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03 Sep 2019 12:33 #213044 by Andy2640
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Appreciate your honesty and outlook there Martin. That puts things into perspective for me.

How about the lift? Is that something you regret?

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03 Sep 2019 12:37 #213045 by G-imny
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Thanks for that Martin, really useful insight for me.

Having said that, gadget is a bad influence so I will be joining the rock sliders club. More weight to go along with the already fitted towbar, KO2s and fuel filter guard!
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03 Sep 2019 12:40 #213046 by Daniel30
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When I have my time again it will be
2'' lift
Muds
Transfer box guard
And that's it :)
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03 Sep 2019 13:04 - 03 Sep 2019 13:11 #213047 by mlines
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Andy2640 wrote:
How about the lift? Is that something you regret?


I didnt build my Jimny originally, it was already in the basic form that you see it. I have replaced or improved parts where the originals have failed or were poor quality. Therefore it came with a 3" lift and still has one although I replaced it with far better springs and shocks. The problem is the slippery slope of modification, once you start....

Larger tyres >> Lift Kit >> Gearing correction >> castor correction >> increased bearing wear etc. etc.

Dont get me wrong, I love the look of mine. but it is more look than practical. You see a lot like mine at events and they mistake true capability for kinetic energy. A truly capable truck will crawl over an obstacle without the wheels spinning ie. its got the grip, low down power and flex. Instead you will see the Jimny hurled at the obstacle with the engine screaming and wheels spinning using kinetic energy rather than skill or capability. If you were to fire a concrete block at a hill fast enough it would go up it :)

So with our Gen4 it will get mud tyres and a 2" lift to give the muds a tiny bit more room and that is it. I fully expect to see it happily following BigJimny around and half expect to see a picture of it pulling BigJimny out after BigJimny blowing a CV joint due to the large tyres and red mist :)

As an example, I bet this owner is please with the look but not as pleased as his CV joint and bearing supplier :)


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2003 M13 early KAP build.
3" Trailmaster lift with 1.5 Spacers on front
Customised winch bumper and roll cage
235/85R16 Maxxis Bighorns on 16" Rims, 4:1 Rocklobster, Rear ARB locker and on-board air
Corrected arms all-round, rear disks, Recaro seats and harnesses
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03 Sep 2019 16:32 #213052 by Lambert
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It almost sounds like I might be getting a few converts to the less is more camp! Though if Dreadnaught weren't a company car there wouldn't be any interior apart from carbon fiber chairs and aluminium controls also any mechanical parts that aren't really necessary like electric windows or power steering would be in the bin too. Because race car.

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03 Sep 2019 17:02 #213060 by Andy2640
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Daniel30 wrote: When I have my time again it will be
2'' lift
Muds
Transfer box guard
And that's it :)


Hi Daniel,

What underbody parts are the most important to protect in your opinion? This lightness thing we're talking about has really opened my eyes to this modding thing.

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03 Sep 2019 17:24 #213062 by Lambert
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On the gen3 it's definitely the transfer box mounting brackets and then the damper lower mounts that suffer most. On the gen4 though they seem to have moved the transfer box slightly above the bottom of the chassis making it less likely to take damage. I would still look at the damper mounts though, but until people start beating the gen4 up off road it's going to be difficult to judge.

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03 Sep 2019 17:58 #213065 by Daniel30
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As Lambert said but I would get a transfer box gaurd anyway as I personally think it's a very open important area....... Especially from the marks on my gen 3 one :)
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03 Sep 2019 18:27 #213069 by Lambert
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Sorry Dan, I missed this being directed at you. How rude!

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