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Chassis outrigger/body mount - advice needed

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04 Jan 2018 09:03 #188026 by mlines
My tyres are rubbing on full lock on the chassis outrigger/body mount at the front.

What have you done to yours to overcome this, keeping the car safe and legal (ie. possible "chassis modification" issue)


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04 Jan 2018 09:07 #188027 by TomDK
Cut, bend and weld or just give it a whack with a hammer :)

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04 Jan 2018 09:45 #188030 by mlines
Thanks, I am just aware that whilst the UK is pretty liberal on modifications compared to other countries, the one area that is a problem is any perceived modification to the chassis. Therefore looking for guidance on the proper approach - which might be bash it with a hammer :)

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04 Jan 2018 18:09 #188042 by Riccy
I have this problem as well Martin.

Ive had a bit of bash at it with a hammer, but it hasnt helped much. Suspect i will end up making a new mount up and welding in place of the bit that gets in the way currently (back half of it). Few coats of underseal and it will look like its always been that way :-)

Of course, its a problem which could probably be sorted with extended bump stops as well. Ive some sexy RW ones from Dave to try before I make a new body mount.

Have you had to bash at the back of the front arches yet (about where the throttle pedal is)? A friend referred to it as 'massaging' the arches, rather than 'bashing', which i prefer ;-)

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05 Jan 2018 05:05 #188054 by Lambert
As far as I am aware, there's nothing to stop you from replacing the mounting bracket with one of your own design, so long as it is doing the same job in the same position in much the same way as a corrosion repair. My understanding is that the chassis alteration clause is aimed at people who make significant alterations like bobtails or snub noses or streches, that kind of thing. Its like altering the engine mounting brackets to put in a v6, yes it's a change but not a significant one.

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05 Jan 2018 05:17 #188055 by Lambert
Another example is a replacement rear cross member on a defender, there are many many different ways of doing it often with a lot of the mud traps of the original designed out but they all constitute a like for like replacement because they pick up on some part of the original chassis, allow mounting of the fuel tank in a similar position and also align with the body bolts.

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07 Jan 2018 19:20 #188105 by safari
i have 31" on mine and do not have body lift just 3" lift i had to cut , bend , hammer and weld

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10 Aug 2018 13:01 #194984 by Basketcase
Only just noticed this post as it now has some relevance. My rear chassis body mount bit snapped off so I got one from salvage off a shotgun chassis and have welded that on and am now fixing the body area so it all sits as it should. When will the issue come to light if there’s a problem with modifying/ repairing the chassis?

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10 Aug 2018 14:19 #194988 by Lambert
The most likely reason to be picked up on that would be in the event of a rtc when an insurance company may be trying to avoid liability by claiming that the repair wasn't to a suitable standard, constituted a modification, wasn't declared etc . An mot would only be interested in it being materially sound and not sharp, dangerous or affecting something it shouldn't.

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10 Aug 2018 21:02 #195007 by Scimike
In my experience unless the modification was a contributing factor in the rtc then the insurance company is unlikely to use this as a reason to avoid any claims resulting. Bending the mount or "repairing" it in such a way to avoid the tyre should not cause any issues with MOT or insurance.
As it stands the fact the tyre is hitting the mount, possibly preventing full lock, is already something that could fail an MOT or be used to avoid a rtc claim, so what have you got to lose?
Of course just my humble opinion.

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10 Aug 2018 21:10 #195009 by Lambert
Valid argument. I wouldn't trust an insurance company to that degree but it is a fair point.

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10 Aug 2018 22:45 #195017 by Scimike
I don't trust insurance companies also, nothing is clear and they like it that way.
My mate had racing tyres fitted to his motorbike, clearly printed on the tyres was "not for road use". His insurance company was not aware of this "modification".
Unfortunately he was T boned by a car turning right, not his fault, and ended up in a bad way for months. The condition of his bike was investigated by the various insurance companies and police, but because he had no time to brake before the impact, it was deemed that the illegal tyres would not have altered the outcome. The other company paid out in full, we are talking about enough cash for him to retire, so they had an incentive to find a way out of paying.
So will they or wont they pay, who knows for sure?

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