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01 Jan 2018 20:40 - 02 Jan 2018 16:12 #187950 by Caelite
Hey Lads

I know from searching that this topic has been done before, but not so recently (last thread I found with details was from 2015).

Basically I have a 2006 VVT+ Jimny, with the big front bumper, I want to fit a set of 215/75r15 BFG KO2s on 15x7 ET-15 Jimnybits modulars. Going for the -15 as it maintains the same shock clearance as the stock 15x5.5s 205/70r15s, however in my mind will minimise the wheel bearing life and mud 'overspray' issues found with the ET-30 wheels. Not fully set on KO2s, but due to positive experiences I have had with them on my works trucks, they are my default go too choice unless an exceptional deal comes up. Same with the wheels, I know the JimnyBits ones are widely used on here, so I assume they are of adequate quality.

With that being said, I recognise I need a lift to make my tyre choice look 'natural' in the arch, and as my 110k mile old stock shocks are giving me the tell tail signs that they are cooked . So settling on a full suspension lift to kill 2 birds with 1 stone. That is where I am looking for some help, firstly, I am undecided as to whether I should go for a 3" lift, or stick to 2", as I am led to believe the 3"+ requires substantially more work to do correctly.

Secondly I am wondering if anyone can recommend a shock and spring setup, it is for predominantly road use, however, I will admit, I beat the living daylights out of my vehicles, it will be thrown into corners at the limit of front end grip, it will be rattled down gravel tracks at 90kph, etc etc. Basically I am looking for sure footedness, serviceability & longevity over comfort.

Finally, I am wondering if I am missing anything from my 'shopping list' of periphery to ensure optimal performance post lift, so far I have noted down:
0. Shocks & Springs, currently I am split between Jimnybits springs and Pro-comp ES1000 shocks, have experienced pro-comps in the past on Land Rovers & people speak highly of them for bang4buck, also looking at Trailmaster sports on Martins shop. The only other brand I know the green oval brigade enjoy is Old Man Emu but they don't seem to offer a Jimny lift in the UK.
1. Castor correction bushes
2. Rear shock relocation
3. Brake lines (ARBs will remain in position, any excuse to put some breaded steel lines in though)
4. Adjustable panhard rods
5. Driveshaft extension
6. Steering damper (not lift related, In my mind I think it would do much to improve the Jimnys road manners)

Any advice welcome, I have plenty of experience in the past lowering cars and setting track geometries, however this is my first foray into putting together a 4x4.

CAE
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01 Jan 2018 22:25 #187954 by furo
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I'm very far from an expert, but I've recently installed a 2" lift (trailmaster comfort) on my 2004 and just have a few points:

- When I first installed the lift I had 15x7.5" zero offset wheels and when I went to 215/75s they rubbed on the arch, this was completely resolved by going back to stock width wheels. I imagine the same thing would happen with 7" -15 wheels, especially as your bumper is bigger than mine. It was the outer edge of the tyres rubbing because they stuck out from the stock arches a little.

- I really like my trailmaster comfort lift, as it is much smoother than stock, but it does have a little more body roll so might not be ideal for your purposes. Having said that I don't think I have to drive it any slower than I did with stock suspension. I understand the procomps (and presumably the trailmaster sport) are much stiffer.

- The trailmaster kits include a brake line extension, so if you go for that you won't need to buy one separately. Having said that I don't believe an extended brake line is necessary for a 2" lift. Also note the trailmaster kit is far cheaper on this site than on other sites.

- I understand that driveshaft extensions and rear shock relocaters aren't necessary with a 2" lift (at least I certainly haven't done them).

Again, I'm very much a novice and don't pretend to be an expert! These are just some things I've found out while sorting my lift. All the best!

2004 Jimny Mode; General Grabber AT3s (215/75/R15); Trailmaster 2" Lift; Jimnybits Snorkel; Jimnybits Front and Rear Recovery Points; Osram Nightbreakers; Suntop Roof Rack; AVM Manual Hubs; ORA Radius Arm Guards; Stainless Steel Exhaust System.

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02 Jan 2018 05:29 #187958 by Lambert
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What you're asking from your jimny is quite difficult for it to achieve. You are asking for big chunky tyres and a raised centre of gravity to be able to cope with high speed and cornering. First off the larger tyres will affect acceleration. Secondly chunky tyres will not offer the same road grip as smoother ones also raising the centre of gravity will ask even more of the tyres. Going for a stiffer suspension to eliminate the negative impact of the lift in turn detracts from the off road ability by removing compliance for lumps and bumps. What I am getting at is that it is a well established route to turn a Jimny into a very capable off roader, it is also possible though less common to go go cart like I have but it's essentially impossible to combine the two successfully.

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02 Jan 2018 08:55 #187960 by TomDK
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I'd definitely get the Trail Master "2 sport kit with that you mention. Probably the diesel springs when you have a heavy front bumper.

No reason for rear shock relocation brackets. A waste of money a best, worst case you bottom out your shocks damaging them.

Old Man Emu shocks are also available for any vehicle from ARB dealers. Also great quality shocks and springs.

+3" Trail Master. Fox 8.0" R/R shocks. ORA HD winchbumper. Warn M8274 Ox-motor + Hellfire gears, Delta-Tek mainshaft and freespool, overvolted. 33/9.5 R16 Silverstone Extreme. 5.14:1 ratio SJ transferbox in RW cradle. OMP rollcage.

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02 Jan 2018 10:13 #187962 by Busta
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To throw another option into the mix- fit the 215/75r15s on your standard rims (they will fit without any lift) and leave it at that. You retain the standard handling, which is a great compromise between road comfort and off-road ability, and you save money for things that will actually make it a better car, like an engine conversion or locking diffs.

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02 Jan 2018 12:50 - 02 Jan 2018 12:54 #187965 by furo
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Busta's solution seems like it might be the best for your purposes!

When my original shocks and springs were tired I replaced them with stock springs and Munro 4x4 shocks. These dramatically improved the handling but it's obviously impossible to tell whether that's because of how good the new bits were or how buggered the old stuff was. In the end I regretted not having gone straight for the lift kit, but it sounds like I drive a lot slower than you lol.

I've sold the Munro shocks, but haven't been able to sell the stock height springs so you could have them for free if you decide to go that route. I'd recommend changing both because when I did mine a couple of the original springs had cracks in them.

I guess it makes sense to get the tyres first and see what you think of the handling and look. Then you can either go for replacement shocks and springs or a lift kit.

2004 Jimny Mode; General Grabber AT3s (215/75/R15); Trailmaster 2" Lift; Jimnybits Snorkel; Jimnybits Front and Rear Recovery Points; Osram Nightbreakers; Suntop Roof Rack; AVM Manual Hubs; ORA Radius Arm Guards; Stainless Steel Exhaust System.
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02 Jan 2018 13:24 #187967 by TomDK
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Busta's idea isn't all that bad. And on top of that, for that kind of driving you could always put on some Koni Heavy Track shocks :) Probably among the best shock available for the Jimny :)

+3" Trail Master. Fox 8.0" R/R shocks. ORA HD winchbumper. Warn M8274 Ox-motor + Hellfire gears, Delta-Tek mainshaft and freespool, overvolted. 33/9.5 R16 Silverstone Extreme. 5.14:1 ratio SJ transferbox in RW cradle. OMP rollcage.

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02 Jan 2018 16:38 #187968 by Riccy
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TomDK wrote: Busta's idea isn't all that bad. And on top of that, for that kind of driving you could always put on some Koni Heavy Track shocks :) Probably among the best shock available for the Jimny :)


Koni video (with a nice black Jimny hiding in there):



They list jimny on their website, but only standard spec ones. Will send them an email methinks ;-)

J999 MNY, M16 VVT, R7me gbox & Rocklobster,
31x10.5r15 Cooper STT, 2x ARB Lockd' 3.9 diffs & twin compressor,
6.5" total lift, Zookbob HD steering shock, Ignis recaro's
Custom bar & arches, rocksliders & guards,
Snorkel, K&N, 13500lb Winchmax, Buzzweld, etc, etc

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02 Jan 2018 17:20 #187969 by Caelite
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Hm, cheers for the suggestions. I will admit I do kind of have my heart set on lifting it slightly, just as I have running a set of fairly aggressive ATs, as much as it is predominantly for road use there is nothing worse than having to 2nd guess every puddle or patch of grass to know whether or not you are going to 'sink in'. I'd like a good set of ATs for piece of mind, didn't buy a 'proper' body on frame 4x4 for it to be a pavement princess. :P

With that being said, need to think about the wheels, would much rather run steels than the current alloys, I have seen several pictures of Jims running the stock 15x5.5 with 30mm spacers with 215/75r15s, these only have 4mm less poke than 15x7 et-15, so I had just assumed they would fit, might need to consider a small trim, or different wheel size (possibly the stock jimny steels).

Anywho, so I can cross shock repositioning & driveshaft extensions off of my list for only a 2" lift? Is there anything you need to do too keep the driveshaft angles in phase? Or is the change simply not enough to cause any vibration/wear?

Giving it some thought but the Trailmaster it does seem like a good option, especially considering it appears ProComp ES1000s aren't available on the Jimnybits store anymore, only 3000 and 9000, which I think would be overdamped at stock weights.

Thanks a lot for the advice guys, hopefully getting some bits of another car I am tearing down sold, then building the Jimny up :)

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02 Jan 2018 17:57 #187971 by 1066Boy
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Mine is 2" lift with 215/75/15 muds. Plenty of clearance, as buster said they will fit a standard jimny. Road handling is fine even with the ARB
removed for more flex. I have only done springs and shocks. Not fitted relocation bushes etc just longer brake lines because of the extra flex.
Still running standard rims because I like the look. :)


Jimny JLX Facelift model 2005.
Kashmir Blue Pearl Metallic.
2" lift with Procomp Es1000 shocks.
Diff and transfer box guards from Jimnybits.
215/75/15 General Grabber x3's
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02 Jan 2018 18:21 #187974 by Busta
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This is mine, 215/75r15 on standard rims. I'm running front springs on the rear which gives a slight lift, but otherwise it's on standard suspension.

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02 Jan 2018 19:00 #187975 by Lambert
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From how you have described the suspension on yours in the past with the fronts on the back I was expecting a hotrod esque raked nose down stance, but in the picture it's almost level?

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