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Seemingly unique 4wd issue
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I have spent the last two days trawling the forum and the internet in general, but I cant seem to find anything that quite matches my symptoms. I've read the guides to hubs and transmission from this site and I thought I was starting to get my head round the problem, but unfortunately I cannot seem to fix the issue. So without much more rambling from myself here is what I know:
2013 1.3l Suzuki Jimny, 85,000 kms on the clock, push button 4WD system
Never had any issues before with the 4WD but a few days ago I went to engage it and nothing happened, the green 4WD light blinked slowly for 10 seconds or so, but no clunking noise as I would normally hear then the light went out. If I tried this two more times in a row both the Green 4WD and the Orange low range light would both come on and blink quickly and not go out until the car was turned off and on again.
So, many hours searching the forums would suggest an issue with the vacuum hubs. So, I visually checked the whole system and cannot seem to find any breaks or tears or corrosion of the metal pipes, the system seems okay to my untrained eye (side note: when directly under the middle of the car I took the rubber tubes off the vacuum system and there is definitely no leak on either tube going in the direction of the wheels. But going the opposite way, to the solenoids and valves, there was almost a free flow of air through both tubes. The car was off at the time, is this normal?). Anyway, I found some useful information about manually sucking the hubs, so I did that, and the hubs quite easily engaged. I understand that I then needed to fool the controller so I shorted the sensor cable that is attached to the side of the box that holds the solenoids and runs to a sensor under this assembly (small rounded cable clip that has a black and a grey/white cable). I did this by sicking a small wire into each of the female connector sockets that would effectively join them together.
My understanding is this would then trick the controller into thinking that the vacuum system worked and the car would then celebrate by staying in 4WD for me.
However, this has not happened. No change at all really. Its good to know I can lock and unlock my hubs this way but, I'm finding the front propshaft wont engage/lock. I should add at this point that I am in the middle of the jungle in Costa Rica and I'm on my own, so checking things like the vacuum system isn't going great, but I've tried to press the 4WD button then jump under the car to see if the front drive shaft locks, but noting, it spins freely.
Now I may have misunderstood everything I've read (and I am pretty much a beginner at this), but I think there is a problem in the transmission where the front propshaft isn't engaging/locking, rather than a problem with the vacuum. But I could be wrong. You guys have already been great, just by all your comments on this forum, and I've been a browser ever since getting the Jimny a year ago and never had to start my own thread to solve a problem, until now. My work as a field biologist relies on this car being able to engage 4WD, so I'm hoping I can get this solved quickly.
All my rambling done with, any ideas/suggestions. Thanks in advance for any help.
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To clarify:
IF you have manually applied vacuum and are sure that the hubs are currently engaged
AND you shorted the leads to the vacuum switch and engaged the transfer case by pushing the button
then you should have 4WD. If this is what you have done and still don't have 4WD, I would agree with Busta.
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As far as this goes
side note: when directly under the middle of the car I took the rubber tubes off the vacuum system and there is definitely no leak on either tube going in the direction of the wheels. But going the opposite way, to the solenoids and valves, there was almost a free flow of air through both tubes. The car was off at the time, is this normal?
I'm not sure but don't think so and this would still make me suspect that you have a leak. As you inspect the system, the one place that is hard to determine is the vacuum tank. There is a hose that leads to the tank that is mounted inside the fender.
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Thanks for the help, I got back on the car today and found the vacuum tank, from the tank to the solenoids there's no leak, and from the manifold to the solenoids there's no leak either. So it just seems that its from the wheels to the solenoids that they both seem to have a free flow of air. I'm not quite sure how the solenoids work but is it something to do with the valve/filter thing on the back of them? I still don't know if this is a good or bad thing.
I will also note that if I sit in the drivers seat and press the 4WD button, as it blinks away for its 10 or 15 seconds, every couple of seconds theres a tick that sounds like a relay (a switch in the controller?) from under the dash every two or three seconds. sounds like its going on....off....on....off...on...off then it stops as the blinking stops.
With regard to your claification, yes that is exactly what happened. However, despite the hubs being locked manually by sucking the tubes, and shorting the vacuum switch with a small bit of wire, when I went to engage the transfer case by pushing the button, the exact same thing happened with the flashing 4WD light and clicking sound, which then both went off, leaving me as though I had never pushed the button, i.e. still in 2WD
I'm not sure how to do the quote system so apologies for the incoherence of this message, but with regard to the first thing you said, No I was only expecting the transfer case to engage. So, if I were to put 12v to the controller to force the transfer case to engage the front drive shaft where would this leave me? would the car know (or display) that it was in 4WD? would it try and come out of it if the controller is gone? At this point I'm guessing that even if this works this a really just a temporary solution and the car needs a new controller. However, it would be nice to know for sure if this is what it needs as I work for an NGO and money is tight.
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I will send you a private message with some information that may help, if you want to (are able to) fix this yourself.
If a DIY fix is beyond what you have available in tools or facilities, hopefully it will help a local mechanic.
After all, we need to keep them parrots alive.
Edit: I can't attach a file in the PM so I will attach it here. It is the section of the service manual for the push button transfer with the electrical diagram attached.
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Can you give me a quick guide to where fuse 88 is please. I have no cover on the fuse box under the dash, which is where I assume the legend would be. That is, unless its in the box under the hood?
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