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Problems at >3000 RPM on motorway

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27 Apr 2010 07:59 - 27 Apr 2010 08:00 #3268 by sradu
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Hi,

I just got myself a nice looking Jimny one month ago and the little bugger went smoothly until this Saturday when I took it for a ride on the motorway towards Bath. Sunny day, nice ride… all good until I pass Reading on the M4 and the car started to behave strangely.
Basically the problem is described by this little movie I found on Youtube:


Except in my case the turometer was really erratic, going all the way down to 0 and back, violently I would say. I had to take it slowly on the hard shoulder and I could also hear a noise from the direction of the right front wheel, under the bonnet. A strong "clank-clank". For a moment I though the wheel is hitting something.
Then the RPMs went back to normal and I tried to go ahead, waiting for the first exit. Again, the problem surfaced and this time the turometer did his now usual dance and, while I was again on the hard shoulder dropped to 0 and stayed there. I managed to keep it going by getting the car into 3rd, then 2nd... I went out of the motorway, heading home. I took it slowly, no more than 50MPH. Just once the problem happened again, by that time I was already approaching London.
Sorry for the long story but the problem is intermittent and strange. It also took a while to happen, maybe because before Reading I was going at 50-55MPH. When it happened the first time I had like 60MPH and maybe 3500RPM.
Yesterday I've took the car to a garage, they tried to read the faults and it showed NOTHING.
Now I'm puzzeled. I read here & there that the camshaft or crankshaft sensors may cause this issue and I'm thinking to take the risk and change them, then - fingers crossed - maybe it will solve the issue.
Did anybody experienced something similar around here? What was the solution?
And where should I go & search for these sensors? And what are the part numbers to search for? (My Jimny is dec 2000, 1.3 petrol)

Thank you.
Last edit: 27 Apr 2010 08:00 by sradu.

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27 Apr 2010 08:10 #3269 by mlines
Passing Reading - it was complaining that you were going past the home of BigJimny without stopping!

Sounds like the Camshaft sensor. If its a Dec 2000 model it should have the G13BB engine which only has a Camshaft sensor, but be aware that there are some very early M13AA engines around at this time which have both sensors.

1. Determine which engine you have - look at the engine - does it have a plastic curved cover at the front over the cam belt (G13BB) or does it have a flat top with a flat plastic cover on it (M13AA)

2. I can then tell you the part numbers - particularly easy if you email/PM me the VIN number

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27 Apr 2010 17:36 - 27 Apr 2010 17:36 #3273 by mlines
From your VIN Number (confidential bits blanked)

VIN: JSAFJB43V00000000 Setting Catalog to : SN413V-2
Engine Number: M13A-0000000 Color: Z2J(CYPRUS BLUE METALLIC)
Transmission Number: Sub-color: C10
Model Code: MRK500000
M: Van
R: SN Model Series
K: 4 Seater, Van
5C: Engine and Transmission, SN413V, 4WD, MT
C: JLX, W/AIR BAG Grade
B: Type 2 Model
02: E02 Specification

(So its an M13AA engine for future reference)

This gives:

CAMSHAFT SENSOR: 33220-76G11
CRANKSHAFT SENSOR: 33220-80G00

So you can just quote the numbers at your Suzuki dealer, or you can find suppliers offering equivalents. I would try phoning "www.ignitioncarparts.co.uk/" (They don't list them on their website)

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2003 M13 early KAP build.
3" Trailmaster lift with 1.5 Spacers on front
Customised winch bumper and roll cage
235/85R16 Maxxis Bighorns on 16" Rims, 4:1 Rocklobster, Rear ARB locker and on-board air
Corrected arms all-round, rear disks, Recaro seats and harnesses
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27 Apr 2010 17:50 #3274 by sradu
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Thanks Martin, I will now try and find the parts! Thanks a lot for this.

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23 May 2010 08:30 #3442 by sradu
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UPDATE: Changed the sensors (two weeks ago), took Jimny out for a ride (yesterday) and after a few miles @3000RPM & 55MPH the engine indicator lighted up. Other than that everything is cool now.
But now I've got this engine indicator on. Question: anybody has any idea why is on, taken into account the history with the sensors? Should I worry about it or leave it until the next servicing (November)?

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23 May 2010 08:37 - 23 May 2010 08:43 #3443 by sradu
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UPDATE: Changed the sensors (two weeks ago), took Jimny out for a ride (yesterday) and after a few miles @3000RPM & 55MPH the engine warning light came up. Other than that everything is cool now.
But now I've got this engine warning on. Question: anybody has any idea why this happen, taken into account the history with the sensors? Should I worry about it or leave it until the next servicing (November)?
I drove the car past two weeks since I changed the sensor without any problems, but never drove it on a motorway until yesterday.
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23 May 2010 10:49 #3444 by Nelson83
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I had the sensors go on mine last year and changed them myself. I didnt go back on the motorway until a few months after i changed them I took it carefully on the first trip as initally the light came on like before, but it soon went off. I think the sensor just needs a bit of time to "bed in" - (thats my view anyway). Haven't had any problems since the sensors were changed and have done a couple of 350+ mile motorway stints.

And yeap, I used the Big Jimny forum to find out what the problem was and how to fix it :-D

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24 May 2010 12:05 #3449 by sradu
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Thanks for your reply Nelson.

I really hope is nothing bad and it's just a bogus alarm. But, maybe I'm being paranoic now, I think the engine is not running smoothly, round... I feel a bit of loss of power and some trepidation. Don't know exactly how to describe it. Use to drive a Renault Megane before and that one had some problem with the induction coils.
From time to time one of them asked to be changed, so I've changed like 3 out of 4. Jimny simptoms are a bit similar with what I've experienced with the Megane... loss of power, the engine not running smoothly... Wonder if it's the same problem?
Anyway, I will have it tested today and see what the problem code is. Ufff!!

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24 May 2010 19:50 #3450 by sradu
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UPDATE: went to the service and the reading was P0420 . The guy said this could mean anything and he cannot point to a single cause for this. So he cleaned the air intake as much as possible, advise me to use some CataClean (which I already bought and mixed with the fuel) and clear the warning light on my dashboard.
However I don't have much confidence that "this was it". Next time I will drive Jimny on the motorway who knows what will happen! Better take an off-road shortcut :)

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17 Jun 2010 16:14 - 17 Jun 2010 16:25 #3645 by sradu
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OK, now I have officially broken down :(

Today I was coming back from work, at one pint I accelerated up to 3000 RPM in 3rd (or 4th) gear and the engine was behaving as if I hit some kind of rev-limit: starting to lose power from engine, like it was cut-off from the wheels (the rev indicator was steady but the revs were not increasing even if I was pushing the gas pedal)
Then it became worst, the same happened when at 2500 RPM, then I could hear misfires, then at 2000, more misfires (pac-pac-pac all the time), I could not reach more then 20mph, then 10 and then the car barely moved, vibrated badly if I tried to accelerate and... the end. I couldn't move at all, I was trying to stop the engine, wait a few minutes... but in the end I had to call the rescue truck. :(

I was waiting for the truck with the engine stopped, so it was a little bit better then: I could easily maneuver the car to get in position and put it on the truck. When I arrived home it was even better, no more vibrations, it was behaving normal at low speed (1st gear) making me think that if I could just leave the car for an hour or so probably I could have taken it slowly home. But when I push the gas pedal again it did the weird stuff (misfires, vibration)

Now I have to take it to the garage but those guys are not specialized in Jimnys... And a Suzuki garage will skin me.
I live in NW London, if you know a garage with some Jimny experience and is not too expensive, please shout!

To complete the story, since my last post the car still had some issues at high revs (I felt some slight loss of power, like "it didn't like" being revved, so I avoided as much as possible going over 3000RPMs. The problem was a bit more obvious when the road was going just a bit uphill and the car was at 40mph, in 4th or 5th gear at 2500RPMs, the power was suddenly gone, like the engine could no cop.

Then, for a week or so it started to be a little bit noisy at >2000RPM, it sounded like the exhaust was broken. So I was going to take it to the doctor anyway.

Anybody can share some light over this problem? I hope it's not too bad, otherwise is bye-bye Jimny. I really hope I can drive my Jimny again, I started to really like it. Ufff! :(
Last edit: 17 Jun 2010 16:25 by sradu.

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18 Jun 2010 03:59 #3650 by facade
Is the catalyst blocked in the exhaust?
Sometimes they break up inside and cause a blockage further along the pipe too.

If it suddenly breaks, go back to the last thing that you did before it broke and start looking there :)

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18 Jun 2010 06:46 - 18 Jun 2010 06:49 #3652 by sradu
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Don't have any idea about that...
Tomorrow I will take it to the garage and they will look (I keep my fingers cross the car will make it to the garage). The problem is it could be anything. I was reading on the forums yesterday and I found similar cases but there were different suggestions for what could trigger these loss of engine power... And there is no way to know for sure. This is probably what they will tell me tomorrow. I'm a bit depressed about this, I thought Jimny will be a strong car but it's proven to be exactly the opposite. Or maybe it's just bad luck.
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