2040

I'm already a convert! I've been driving an electric/petrol hybrid Audi A3 for the last 18 months. I love how effortless it cruises around on electric, I can t get enough of the instant torque and power from the electric motor. When both the petrol engine and electric motor is used nothing can get near it! I'm working in Bristol this week and have charged the car in car in the hotel car park each night and then silently cruise around Bristol during the day!

Electric cars are in their infancy at the moment and I can't wait to see the changes and advances in battery technology. 2040 will be beyond our imaginations when it comes to cars!

Diesel is dead, long live electric!

Sam

ZukracerV6 wrote:
Diesel is dead, long live electric!

Sam

They said something similar with regard to nitro engined RC helis but it never died. Unfortunately I won't be around to see in 2040) got to be realistic!) and I am curious as to what will happen to gas stations and indeed used car sales in the decade before 2040.

Is the hybrid going to be allowed though?.

They aren't banning petrol and diesel cars altogether, just the sale of new ones. So used combustion engined car sales will continue for some time if the market is still there for them. Petrol stations will become re-charge stations with bigger coffee shops.

Busta wrote: Petrol stations will become re-charge stations with bigger coffee shops.

Ah yes, we will have a new economy. Funny how 2040 sounds like a motor oil!! And how much will a coffee and charge cost then??

Look at a mobile phone from 20 years ago, 4kg, analogue and was the size of a briefcase.
Look at a 20 year old computer... Another 20 years and electric vehicles will be the norm, probably with battery technology leap years ahead of todays lithium ion.

My concerns are the raw materials to make these batteries. I once heard (on radio 4) that a lap top takes about 1/2 ton of resources to build and dont forget some of these materials its made from are quite rare. The Carbon footprint is massive for your wee laptop.

But back to the topic, Cars will need to get a lot smaller and lighter - single seaters maybe, as most car journeys are alone?

Phil

Gazguzzler wrote: My concerns are the raw materials to make these batteries. I once heard (on radio 4) that a lap top takes about 1/2 ton of resources to build and dont forget some of these materials its made from are quite rare. The Carbon footprint is massive for your wee laptop.

But back to the topic, Cars will need to get a lot smaller and lighter - single seaters maybe, as most car journeys are alone?

Phil

The carbon footprint for providing the leccy to charge these cars could be huge too.

Lets not forget the carbon footprint for oil. Exploration, plant construction, drilling, transport, distribution and then it chucks a whole lot more carbon out when you burn it. The impact of extracting oil from the earth for the past 100 years has been far greater than the impact of building the renewable technologies is ever likely to be. Oil is single use, but a solar panel will repay its carbon footprint in the energy it produces many times over, as will a battery with the energy it stores.

You can't use the green arguments to dismiss the green technologies!

Busta wrote: Lets not forget the carbon footprint for oil. Exploration, plant construction, drilling, transport, distribution and then it chucks a whole lot more carbon out when you burn it. The impact of extracting oil from the earth for the past 100 years has been far greater than the impact of building the renewable technologies is ever likely to be. Oil is single use, but a solar panel will repay its carbon footprint in the energy it produces many times over, as will a battery with the energy it stores.

You can't use the green arguments to dismiss the green technologies!

I was simply thinking of what fuel is used to make the electricity.

Gas, coal, oil or even nuclear enough to run every car in the country.

Let's get it right only pure petrol/diesel driven cars will be banned. If you dig down hybrids and alternative fuel cars will still be allowed.
At the moment it only applies to CARS and existing vehicles will be exempt..
That leaves the door open for LPG or hydrogen. The internal combustion engine is not dead yet.
I can see hybrids being more popular as they get round the range problem and possibly the introduction of electric only zones in towns/cities so you drive to work and switch over to electric.
There is also a diesel fuel called GTL (gas to liquid) which is very clean and my brothers recent diesel BMW uses ADBLUE the same as current trucks have.
One other point how much is the govt going to charge to cover the loss of fuel duties and road tax if everyone goes over to electric? Worth a thought.

gilburton wrote: If you dig down hybrids and alternative fuel cars will still be allowed.

Yes though early reporting was confusing.

And for off-road vehicles:

www.popularmechanics.com/cars/hybrid-ele...ff-roader-so-clever/