EU referendum debate

ZookFastback wrote: View from Oz on the Brexit and other irrelevant opinions

One thing to come out of Brexit: I can envisage a United Celtic States of Scotland, Ireland and Wales remaining in the EU... and a Dis-United Kingdom of England cast adrift and sailing into the Atlantic. All Cricketers and Rugby players to develop Celtic Accents and apply to emigrate to the few English speaking places left in the United Celtic States.

Other than that, things are as per normal.

I don't know if you have noticed but apart from in times of football the word England is hardly used. Generally it seems to me that the other UK countries get named many times more. This may have been part of the problem. On official forms I tend not to see England as an option.
I assume Cameron expected, along with the financial institutions (and therein also lies the problem), that the country would be greatly in favour of staying just as we expected Scotland to vote that way. Otherwise why would he offer a referendum knowing it could be the end in more ways than one. If he did realise it was a risk and reports indicate he liked to take chances, then he should see it through. I don't believe it was to appease some of his Tory back benchers. Or is it that like so many others he saw a future after leaving office in a nice little job in the EU. Only the Bank of England seems to have seen this coming.

As for Scotland remaining.......watch this space. Too my sheer amazement I suspect Sturgeon may find a way to do a deal with the EU while we and her are still in it. We couldn't get a real deal with the Commission but I suspect she might as the EU might be vindictive and bend some rules. This would be disastrous as some of the financials might end up in Edinburgh.
Should Scotland have been left to go independent in 2014???

Britain was never fully in. Was not in Eurozone. Was not in Schengen zone. It was kind of privileged member. That, in a way, backfired.

Although I have a special passport that does not require visa for continental europe, I still need visa to travel GB.

Exit is bad. The worse is that keeping the word "we will keep economic ties strong" in mouth. İf it comes to share burden "exit". If it comes to share wealth and profit "good relations". yeah right.

That's what we have been feeling (As Turks here) for the last 53 years since Turkey applied for membership to EU. Marriage is for good and bad days. The other is called as prostitution.

gokturkmehmet wrote: Britain was never fully in. Was not in Eurozone. Was not in Schengen zone. It was kind of privileged member. That, in a way, backfired.

Interesting...............How so?

The issue for me was that I see the EU meddling too much in our affairs. I voted for the Common Market which I considered a good thing because to trade with countries is sensible but I did not ever expect it to become the political union that it has now become.

helijohn wrote:

gokturkmehmet wrote: Britain was never fully in. Was not in Eurozone. Was not in Schengen zone. It was kind of privileged member. That, in a way, backfired.

Interesting...............How so?

The issue for me was that I see the EU meddling too much in our affairs. I voted for the Common Market which I considered a good thing because to trade with countries is sensible but I did not ever expect it to become the political union that it has now become.

As far as your "common market" opinion I agree. Maybe for all countries in EU.

The thing is (above what I said) since UK was not in Eurozone and Schengen, exit seemed much more easier for government and people. And it is. Otherwise they would not even take it to referandum before making it sure that it will go through.


EU was meddling too much in your affairs. true..because you were EU.
Same opinions are a lot in Turkey, many people here think that Turkey is a sovereign country where EU cannot dictate things. But, EU is not another country. We should "believe" the idea. It might be wrong from the beginning I agree on that part as I said.

gokturkmehmet wrote: Britain was never fully in. Was not in Eurozone. Was not in Schengen zone. It was kind of privileged member. That, in a way, backfired.

Indeed and with a drive to create a single European 'state' the UK would have been side-lined and without influence. The SNP want to take over the UKs EU membership as a way to avoid meeting the requirements of a new member of the union. I expect that if the EU hastens the single state then the Scottish option will be to be part of the EU or part of the UK - independence isn't going to be a real option.

11/60 wrote: What amuses me with that scenario is that the Scottish and Northern Ireland leaders think that the EU would have them back with open arms, when in reality without the backup of England's financial services industry their economies are too weak to meet the entry requirements. The people of Scotland especially have worked this out for themselves hence the result of the last referendum on them splitting the Union.

I would like to see how Mr Salmond's predictions look now with the current price of oil.

Wonder how the soccer went against that tiny teeny little country with 300,000 people?



Cos, if you can't kick them when they're down, when can you kick them?

Not only did we vote to come out of the EU, looks like out of the Euros was part of the deal, too

11/60 wrote: I have to say that what is irritating me is all the media coverage of the remain campaigns sore loosing and indeed the rhetoric remain are using. Anyone would think we had voted on mass to legally enforce baby eating not leave a broken economic and political system.

TOO TRUE

Voted out glad we are out trade deals with other countries we previously were barred from trading with are opening up been called everything under the sun but don't care never had the gonads to say it to my face so why worry